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Medved on O'Reilly tonight to debate Million Dollar Baby

Posted on 02/07/2005 3:03:09 PM PST by EveningStar

Medved on O'Reilly tonight to debate Million Dollar Baby.

Fox: 8 Easter / 5 Pacific


TOPICS: Announcements; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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To: F16Fighter
Would anyone go see the stupid movie if the poster said:

"She had the Heart and Courage to punch other girls in the head, but when it came to the greatest challenge of her real life, she didn't even come out of her corner!"

"A gripping story of cowardice and moral confusion!"

"In this movie, we make it look like girls can really box!"

"Watching girls hit each other is almost as emotionally satisfying as watching them die."

181 posted on 02/08/2005 11:52:08 AM PST by Cogadh na Sith (What God hath made, no man can kill it out.)
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To: Darkwolf377

What is even more scary is that they can't seem to take watching something that is against their views. I can read the Korana nd I won't become a Muslim. I can see this movie and not become an advocate for euthanasia. They are so weak willed and weak minded - and thus the project that weakness on to others - and the assume everyone is this weak willed and weak minded - that if people go to see this movie they will be converted to being pro-euthanasia.


182 posted on 02/08/2005 11:55:50 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Illuminatas

And the power of Christ compels you.


183 posted on 02/08/2005 11:56:36 AM PST by ariamne (reformed liberal-Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
"Would anyone go see the stupid movie if the poster said:

"She had the Heart and Courage to punch other girls in the head, but when it came to the greatest challenge of her real life, she didn't even come out of her corner!"

"A gripping story of cowardice and moral confusion!"

"In this movie, we make it look like girls can really box!"

"Watching girls hit each other is almost as emotionally satisfying as watching them die."

Coggy, if you're the critic, I can't WAIT to see this junk! ROFL...

184 posted on 02/08/2005 12:00:18 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Destro
Fiction has to be self-contained. It must have its own logic to hold together. That's why the fantasy of "It's A Wonderful Life" works, but ""Field of Dreams" didn't.

Eastwood has always told us before that "might makes right" if might is consciously working on the side of the ultimate good.

"Dirty Harry" and all Eastwood's westerns (like Ford's reluctant hero, John Wayne, in "The Searchers") eventually shows us the bad guys looses and right prevails somehow.

At the very least, if right doesn't prevail, like in "Three Days of the Condor," we're shown that it should prevail.

A story's core must be consistent and ultimately redeeming, according to how human beings have defined "redemption" after three thousand years of fiction.

Dirty Harry was redemptive -- the bad guy gets plugged. Good.

MDB is not redeeming; a mangled, though sentient human being is destroyed as so much refuse.

Broken bodies are not refuse, even though the agenda these days is to see anything less than perfect as better destroyed.

That's real "StaliNazis."

185 posted on 02/08/2005 12:03:27 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: F16Fighter

"MDB made me so sad I begged for someone to kill my fat ass"--Roger Ebert


186 posted on 02/08/2005 12:05:52 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (What God hath made, no man can kill it out.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

"Field of Dreams" worked for me.


187 posted on 02/08/2005 12:06:34 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"A movie should take us to a different place, somewhere we've never been before, and have us leave the theater better people than when we went in.

"Comedies, romances, action-adventures, and even sad, tragic, unhappy movies can accomplish this -- must accomplish this in order for us to feel we've not wasted our time in the darkness being hit in the face with a putrefying pie of somebody's sick agenda."

Hear ya...

Too often I've felt the need to take a shower after watching the average Hollywood fare.

People are wising up to Hollywood's assumption that what their audiences are is masochists who revel in being used and degraded.

188 posted on 02/08/2005 12:11:08 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Eva
And, that's supposed to be a good thing in the movie.

Where did you get the impression that it's supposed to be a good thing in the movie? I have seen it, and I did get that impression at all.

189 posted on 02/08/2005 12:11:18 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: Cogadh na Sith

Finally...A critique I can respect Ebert...


190 posted on 02/08/2005 12:13:01 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: baseballfanjm; F16Fighter; Destro; EveningStar; Conservative Vet; shhrubbery!
No, the movie is telling us that Eastwood knowingly trades his own salvation for ending the girl's suffering.

But salvation is not his to give or take. As human beings, we either believe that all things, suffering included, are given to us by God for a reason, or else we're adrift on our own on planet earth.

Read "The Problem of Pain" by C.S. Lewis.

I knew a woman whose husband had Huntington's Chorea, diagnosed after they had children. After she nursed her husband night and day for years until he died, she then nursed her three children night and day for 20 more years until they, too, died from the hereditary disease.

She did not ever once think of killing them, even though they became completely vegetative. She did not think of killing herself.

She knew, every second of every day, that one day they would all be together again -- whole, strong and happy in Paradise.

Would that Eastwood had even a tiny bit of that faith.

191 posted on 02/08/2005 12:16:55 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: jennyjenny

O'Reilly insinuated that Eastwood had some kind of problem with his own daughter (in the story) and that he had let the daughter down somehow and that the girl in the story was his surrogate daughter who he decides not to let down. If that is a good thing, I guess is up to the viewer.


192 posted on 02/08/2005 12:17:12 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

Did O'Reilly say that the assisted suicide was a good thing? I thought I read where he liked this movie.


193 posted on 02/08/2005 12:24:41 PM PST by jennyjenny
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; baseballfanjm; F16Fighter; EveningStar; Conservative Vet; shhrubbery!
No, the movie is telling us that Eastwood knowingly trades his own salvation for ending the girl's suffering.

You are living in a world of unreality - Eastwood told us no such thing - he played a FICTIONAL character.

But your words illustrate it all. Do you think what you are watching is real? Are you so weak willed you assume others are as well and will be converted by this movie to being pro-Euthanasia?

Clint is a good artist and he is a good American. His art has enriched the medium while entertaining his audiences.

194 posted on 02/08/2005 12:26:12 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Men seem to like "Field of Dreams."

I think it's the thing about the "father-son" relationship. But as far as the logic of the fantasy, it didn't hold together.

I really liked "Joe vs. the Volcano," though most people feel it's a nutty movie that falls apart.

No accounting for taste.

But neither of those films negatively effects society like MDB does. People often think according to the last thing that was inputed into their heads. When we leave the theater after seeing MDB, our heads are filled with intentional murder and non-redemptive suffering.

Satanic.


195 posted on 02/08/2005 12:26:13 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Excellent case in point to further your premise, the story of Joni Earekson. If any FReepers have never read her story or heard her give interviews on T.V., it is WORTH the time and effort to do so. A beautiful & active young lady, she dove head first into a lake, severing her spinal cord and becoming a parapelgic. She didn't want to live either. You should see what she is able to do, and has done even to this day. She is an inspiration to all. Do take the time to read her story. Look her up on the internet. It's worth it. Guaranteed.


196 posted on 02/08/2005 12:28:01 PM PST by Max7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
When we leave the theater after seeing MDB, our heads are filled with intentional murder and non-redemptive suffering.

Your weak mind is - not mine.

197 posted on 02/08/2005 12:28:04 PM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Max7
"....she dove head first into a lake, severing her spinal cord and becoming a parapelgic.

Should be that she dove head first into a shallow part of a lake.

My mistake. Corrected.

198 posted on 02/08/2005 12:31:15 PM PST by Max7
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To: Destro; Dr. Eckleburg
"Eastwood told us no such thing [trading salvation] - he played a FICTIONAL character."

"FICTIONAL characters" don't detract from the message, do they?

"Do you think what you are watching is real? Are you so weak willed you assume others are as well and will be converted by this movie to being pro-Euthanasia?"

I suppose you believe Hollywood is all about "art" and "entertainment"...without an agenda?

MEMO: The tooth-fairy is NOT real.

199 posted on 02/08/2005 12:37:04 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Destro
Are you so naive as to think art does not have an impact on society?

Have you ever read Marshall Mcluhan? -- "We become what we behold. We shape our tools and then our tools shape us."

"Unforgiven" was a brilliant film. "MDB" is garbage; I fear Eastwood is senile.

200 posted on 02/08/2005 12:37:27 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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