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Church needs better evolution education, says bishops' official
Catholic News Service ^ | 2-1-2005

Posted on 02/07/2005 7:30:07 AM PST by mike182d

NEW YORK (CNS) -- Catholic educators need better teaching programs about evolution "to correct the anti-evolution biases that Catholics pick up" from the general society, according to a U.S. bishops' official involved in dialogue with scientists for 20 years.

Without a church view of human creation that is consistent with currently accepted scientific knowledge, "Catholicism may begin to seem less and less 'realistic' to more and more thoughtful people," said David Byers, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Committee on Science and Human Values from 1984 to 2003.

"That dynamic is a far greater obstacle to religious assent than evolution," he said in a bylined article in the Feb. 7 issue of America, a weekly magazine published in New York by the Jesuits. The article discussed the value of the dialogues with scientists organized by the bishops' committee.

"Denying that humans evolved seems by this point a waste of time," he said without mentioning specific controversies in the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholicnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bishops; catholic; church; creation; evolution; god; schools; science
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"Betrayal" is the only word I can think of right now...
1 posted on 02/07/2005 7:30:09 AM PST by mike182d
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Betrayal? Should the Catholic Church continue to live in the Dark Ages? Evolution is an accepted fact. People need to learn that "evolution" and "creation" can live side by side without conflict.


2 posted on 02/07/2005 7:32:36 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (http://www.drunkenbuffoonery.com/mboards/)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Evolution is an accepted fact.

Since when is theory accepted fact? Darwinian macro-evolution is filled with so many holes I'm amazed that it even made it this far as a legitimate scientific theory.
3 posted on 02/07/2005 7:33:57 AM PST by mike182d
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To: mike182d
Another instance of a Church changing to suit society, rather than trying to change society with the Word as it appears in The Holy Bible. No Church will be saved from the down-slide into apostasy.

I get comfort from being a member of a nondenominational church that relies on the Bible rather than religion...

4 posted on 02/07/2005 7:34:31 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: PatrickHenry

And the beat goes on.


5 posted on 02/07/2005 7:35:54 AM PST by contemplator
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To: mike182d
There will be some back peddling on this shortly...

"Catholicism may begin to seem less and less 'realistic' to more and more thoughtful people,"

I don't understand the statement being made. I would hope that Catholics become more and more thoughtful people. I think what they are trying to say, as badly as David Byers has said here, is that there is a misconception that Catholics, in general, are anti-science. That is simply not true.

7 posted on 02/07/2005 7:38:06 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: John_Wheatley

They adapt. A virus is a virus. A virus doesn't turn into a cat.


8 posted on 02/07/2005 7:38:42 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: trebb
nondenominational church that relies on the Bible rather than religion...

With all due respect, there is no such thing as a "non-denominational" Church. There are inter-denominational Churches but not "non-denominational." If someone who believed that Jesus wasn't God and claimed he didn't need the Bible, would you accept him or re-catechize him?

If there are fundamental tenants of faith that you ascribe to, you are a denomination by definition.
9 posted on 02/07/2005 7:39:18 AM PST by mike182d
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To: mike182d

I don't trust much that comes from today's Jesuits. They are simply not the same kind of men that I knew during my years of Jesuit education. I believe that Pope John Paul has made a clear distinction between "micro evolution", which are more or less gradual adaptative changes over time within various species (including humans) and "macro evolution" which would lead us back to a fish having walked up on the beach one day in the process of becoming a man.

I don't know whether this is too fine a distinction for the average secularist to understand or perhaps they purposely overlook it in order to keep a foolish argument going.


12 posted on 02/07/2005 7:41:28 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: mike182d
Nonsense. The central tenet of Christianity is the grace of salvation, not whether evolution happened or not.
13 posted on 02/07/2005 7:42:03 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Evolution is still only a theory. And it seems the left is really taking a hard stance on it. The other night we watched a nature show about Cuba. They where throwing around the "such and such millions of years ago" thing for the reasons why this animal and that animal came to Cuba. It got to the point where it seemed like they were just trying to push an agenda.
There's no doubt in my mind that God created the world. How and it what time frame He did really doesn't matter that much other than, "Oh, is that how He did it?".


14 posted on 02/07/2005 7:42:46 AM PST by stevio (Let Freedom Ring!)
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To: John_Wheatley

I doubt anyone denies adaptation. I think people refuse to believe our ancestors were monkeys.


15 posted on 02/07/2005 7:43:19 AM PST by mlc9852
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""Betrayal" is the only word I can think of right now..."

Betrayal seems an odd word to use. Since the RCC already accepts evolution as the way species developed, then they're simply clarifying the issue in the face of those who would have the creation story from Genesis as literal truth.

Sorry, but you'll find that most Christian denominations accept evolution as the means by which species came about. Not all, but most.


16 posted on 02/07/2005 7:44:11 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: John_Wheatley
Or that the HIV virus was always around and no-one noticed it before. It evolved too, just as new flu virus strains evolve all the time.

That is micro-evolution, and no one is denying this. The problem is with macro-evolution and its inconsistencies. For example, a fundamental premise of Darwinian evolution is that naturally species will go from simplicity to vast complexity by "natural selection." With the fossil record, we see the exact opposite - We see complex species literally "pop up" that just become more and more refined in their structure as opposed to becoming more and more complex. In fact, the only "macro-evolution" that an evolutionists can provide "evidence" of is in minute changes observed in single-celled bacteria, the most simple of organisms.
17 posted on 02/07/2005 7:44:25 AM PST by mike182d
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I have taught my kids that both evolution and creationism are theories. Both have components that are arguable for and against. As far as I know, the Catholic Church has never come out and said how God created the Earth or man. When the Bible says that Adam was taken from the dust of the Earth. How did God do it? How long did it take? What did a day in Genesis represent? All these questions are not answered by Faith alone. Science and scientific testing of various theories can help man obtain a better understand of how God works. The strict evolutionists are just as anti-science as the strict creationists. The fact is that nobody alive today was there when God created the Earth. So any ideas that we have are just educated guesses. The Bishop is right that the Church must be open to what it can learn from science to better understand how God wove His creation. There is no denial of God in evolution as long as man accepts that all creation was guided by God throughout - IMHO.


18 posted on 02/07/2005 7:45:48 AM PST by lnbchip
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To: mike182d

"By their fruits, you shall know them"

The CC has a long and notorious history of political expediency and doctrinal compromise. It's what comes from adopting a belief that their clergy continue to get "revelations" about the suppossed "incomplete" scriptures. Non sola scriptura reaps what it sows.

It's a first cousin to the "living Constitution" mindset: "Go with the times."


19 posted on 02/07/2005 7:45:56 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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