"Perhaps they have taken note that incidence of “air rage” only became prevalent AFTER smoking was banned on aircraft."
Interesting. Why are smokers more violent than non-smokers?
I've already broken the habit of flying so I don't need airports, now if I could just break the habit of reading I wouldn't need to smoke.
If smoking makes some people "animals in a zoo", what does that make a 5c politician out of his depth?
That was a trick question.
When a politician resorts to labelling whole groups and name calling, he must be unaware that he is labelling himself the south end of a horse...
This will be amusing to FDR, Humphrey Bogart, Richard Feynman, Albert Einstein...
And the entire crew of Mission Control during the heyday of the U.S. space program.
Council Member,
The anti smoking hysteria sweeping Minnesota continues to amaze me. Never before have I seen so many people willing to believe the exaggerated claims, biased and false studies and hype spouted by the smoke-hater crowd. Common sense and a little research should have been enough to put an end to this fiasco.
I have owned my bar and restaurant for 25 years. I have paid over a million dollars in assorted taxes, hired hundreds of employees and adapted to every change in law, city policy and social trend during that time. I love this business, my staff and yes, most of my customers. I work very hard. The idea of restricting a legal product on private property might be the final straw for me to continue to want to do business here. The fact remains the death count from second hand smoke is still zero and a nonsmoker must go out of their way to be offended by smoke. The fear business owners have for their livelihood is justified.
The market place drives the issue and bar owners, by self-imposed partial bans or technology, have met that need for our customers. Telling a smoker he or she is welcome in the bar but can't smoke is like telling a vegetarian his favorite restaurant is now a steak house but he is still welcome to come in. A bar is exactly where you SHOULD be allowed to smoke.
Thankfully Mayor Kelly vetoed your smoking ban, it's nice to see some common sense over there. Small businesses everywhere are thanking Mayor Kelly today and wondering when your term expires.
Sue Jeffers Stub and Herb's 227 S.E. Oak Street Minneapolis, MN
His reply:
Subj: Re: Smoking ban veto Date: 7/12/2004 12:29:39 AM Central Daylight Time From: Dave.Thune@ci.stpaul.mn.us To: S1U2E3@aol.com
> Sent from the Internet (Details) I think you've been breathing too much frenchfry grease. We'll just ignore your bizzare and addled ideas.
dave
Oh yes. I forgot about that one.
Trading visible tobacco smoke for invisible diseases of all kinds.
Brilliant!
This sets up the perfect conditions for environmental aircraft conditions terrorism. Create a closed system. As I said: brilliant!
Here is a solution:
Apparently this guy thinks he can lie with impunity. If he lies here, what credibility is to be given to the rest of his article. The Boing 737 has exchange rates on the order of about 5 minutes. That means that every five minutes the cabin air is completely replaced. I think the figure for the incoming fresh air is about 25 cubic feet per second.
When smokers inhale and hold the smoke in.. instead of letting it out.. for those of us who don't like smoke to be forced to breath..(and not only their exhaled smoke but smoke coming off the end of the burning noxious weed stick stuck in their pie holes)... I will be all for their right to smoke the dang things...
Until then....it's war...and let the best man win...
imo
My favorite airport is Denver. Whenever I go pheasant hunting to N.W. Kansas, I make sure the flight to Hays is via Denver. The most profitable establishment there is their smoking bar. I love the 3 hour layover between flights in that bar because almost everyone smokes and those don't probably could care less and the bloody marys are the best around.
Does THIS actually surprise anyone??? We are under Siege by these same "social engineering" Liberal types here in Austin,TX. Sad part is, they are slowly winning.
As a smoker and a frequent flyer, it's gotten harder and harder, and when the ban on butane lighters goes into effect in a few days (and probably on matches), it's going to get almost impossible.
Since all the shops are now in secure areas, they won't be allowed to sell lighters or matches, further delaying the time the smoker must wait to light up after a long flight. I don't mind going outside the airport to smoke, but if they ban matches, too, that won't even be possible.
Non-smokers can grouse all they want. I don't blow smoke in your faces. I don't want to. But, as long as smoking is a legal activity, I will probably continue to smoke.
Airports which have enclosed smoking areas which exhaust air to the outside have the best idea. Shoot...I'd pay to use them. That might be a revenue generator for the airports, IMO.
I don't need a nanny. I don't need someone to tell me that smoking's bad for me. I know that. It's my choice. I won't blow smoke in your face. I won't smoke in restaurants. But, please, be a little tolerant, OK?
Living in Salt Lake City the mayor should know all about zoos. :^)
I consider myself to be somewhat an expert in zoo phones. I believe this article was very poorly written.
The "animals in a zoo" just may start trampling tyrannical judges/slimy lawyers and socialist politician like elephnats on worms. SQUISH!
It's getting closer and closer to that time where WE, The People must stand up to these tyrants that call themselves "masters"
Esq. = british monarchy title used by lawyers/judges in the USA (I do not call them Americans)
As a smoker i thing it should be banned from airports, that is the following disgusting habits are also banned.
1. Lardbutts cramping their faces with food,
2. Cheap perfume, especially musk oil, or other forms of pee
3. Loud cell phone talkers,
4. Ugly people from Washington, and Oregon
5. Whining kids,
6. People sucking down starbucks
7. People laying on floor with their PC's suckin up free
power and floor space
Of course, here's the crux of the matter. I'll be very amused to watch these anti-smoking Nazi's get their knickers in a knot when the compassion fascists come for something they like (When perfume and BBQ's are outlawed only outlaws will have perfume and BBQ's!).
The zealotry of the anti-smoking crowd must be very similar to the zealotry of the segregationists of a hundred years ago. Your target is easily identifiable and it's societally OK to act with complete abhorrence at the mere sight of the offenders. Perhaps what smokers need is a "civil rights coalition".
It's fun!