Posted on 12/31/2004 5:43:33 AM PST by white trash redneck
And I'm for Bush's plan since it's a start to try to bring in sanity to a system that has been festering for 40 years since LBJ dismantled the guest worker program.
You are on psychedelic drugs to thusly characterize the work that illegal aliens do. They are in many sectors of construction. We have a home building boom partly to accomate all these new legal/illegal immigrants. They are working all over the hotel industry.
BTW: Many legal immigrants are picking vegetables and cleaning toilets.
I agree something needs to be done, but like all the left-inspired programs/situations, to just crush it now would be akin to clubbing baby seals. It's a sticky situation and when it comes to politics, it's no-win. Try to start something gradual to keep a bunch of death and suffering from entering the mix (the President's current plans that everyone hates) and the Right bashes him and the Left will be happy to jump on the bandwagon, not because they agree, but because it's a Bush-bashing bandwagon. Crush them and put a direct stop to it (not possible without killing quite a few and causing other suffering that the MSM will air 24/7) and the Left bashes him and a bunch of the Right, that currently thinks they want it to stop will change their minds when they see the real human suffering.
BTW: Many legal immigrants are picking vegetables and cleaning toilets
Th ad hominems from the Tancredo faction begin, and what are you going to do, hold a gun up to native born Americans heads and tell them you have to take the roofing job in 100 degree heat or become a housekeeper.
I just served on a jury not long ago, where we dismissed an idiot's liability claim against a farmer in short order. I trust most Americans to do the right thing. It's the handful of oddball juries that cause problems, but somehow I don't think you'll find "immigrant friendly" juries in Tucson, El Paso, or San Diego.
You're on. But please remember to remind me if you win because I'm old and I forget things!
His plan is for sh!t because it will be enforced as shoddily as our present immigration laws are. It's a scam. Guest workers who want to stay will melt into ethnic communities and disappear.
My plan is make an easy to verify SS number database and compel all workers to be vetted by employers. Employers who mess around will be fined. Illegal immigrants are having a fit in NY State because the DMV is weeding out, canceling all driver's licenses that are based on phony SS numbers. It's a delight to behold!
There is nothing as permanent as a guest worker. Europe's experience show this. The Turks never went back home.
No, all jobs would not be taken by native Americans. Some would be replaced by technology. But many would. And, yes, prices on many goods---tomatoes, hotel rooms, etc.---would go up. So?
Things change very quickly, as do memories. If Hillary is seen as being strong on immigration control, Ohio could be a chance for her, in addition to all the Kerry states.
Last year I won a bet that said Keyes would lose by 30% or more, and can't get paid.
In fact we can use a few million illegal aliens. But not the 15 million we have and not GW Bush's scamnesty plan.
You need a sense of proportion! Snap out of it! You don't strike me as a total dunce.
Sorry, haven't you learned? I live in OH. OH will NEVER vote for Hillary. Nor will 300 other EVs.
You may or may not. It all depends on the trial where all a defense lawyer has to say is that you are prosecuting a houskeeper so that she can have a better life.
Like I said before, Bush's plan at least tries to bring some sanity to the system by documenting dishwashers, housekeepers(i.e people trying to make an honest living) and spending the other resources on those who wish to do the US harm.
BTW, is an American business owner "evil" trying to find labor so that he/she can pursue their part of the American dream.
If the GOP puts up some weak kneed RINO, we are in deep trouble.
I live in NYC and will tell you the immigration problem, amongst GOP voters, IS THE NUMBER 1 ISSUE.
No I don't. I look down at those who constantly complain that these industries aren't employing the right kind of workers and have vitriol to business owners who provide good and honest goods and services, that benefit all.
No, all jobs would not be taken by native Americans. Some would be replaced by technology. But many would. And, yes, prices on many goods---tomatoes, hotel rooms, etc.---would go up. So?
Uh you do know the reason why Wal-Mart is the #1 retailer in the world. They provide goods at the cheapest prices possible.
I may show my behind in this reply and I've sat here for several minutes thinking about just passing over a reply...I can't. I have to speak up.
As far as I am concerned, US citizens not willing to take those jobs and more willing to take the welfare is what's wrong. Not every person is going to have the ability to be or live like Donald Trump etc.
I've worked three stinking jobs to pay my bills, rent, and put food on the table. I can tell you about the first time I bought my own stainless steel flatware and thinking about how many hours I had to work to be able to afford it. I can tell you how live off of $20.00 per week and not go hungry. I know hard times. What I can't tell you is how to apply for welfare or unemployment. I don't know how and never have. I have always been able to find work. ALWAYS. It may not have been the most glamorous stuff, but it was work. I have not contributed to the unemployment number...there are jobs out there to be had and any job that goes unfilled 'cause an american won't do the job cause it's beneath them, too low paying, etc. is not displaying the work ethics that has made this country strong.
Illegal aliens need to be stopped from crossing the border, but if they are willing to work and contribute taxes, and add value to our country...let's help them do that 'cause there are some in our country who would rather have the handout. If they've got the work ethic and desire to be American Citizens then let's put Lady Liberty at the southern border.
bttt
Former southern Californian emmigrant Bttt.
Just a question here : suppose the Republican Party does not pay heed to this, what might happen, given America's bipolar political system ? Could Conservatives flock to a third Party - which I understand would not stand a chance against the two present-day blocs - or would they punish the GOP by a large abstention ?
Yup, that's the ticket... put more business people behind bars.
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