Posted on 12/31/2004 5:43:33 AM PST by white trash redneck
Yes, the GOP better wake up and learn how to handle this issue. Republicans fear the clubbling they'll get from the media if they crack down on illegals but it's what the overwhelming majority of people want. Somehow I think the GOP has the backbone to do it.
Exactly right. I may actually vote for Hillary IF she actually does something to stop illegal immigration as opposed to merely rhetorically opposing it. Our President and our party's next nominee are on notice. How they treat law-abiding Americans will determine my vote in the next four years.
"There's no issue where the beliefs.....bla, bla, bla."
You either believe in law enforcement, or you don't.
There is only really one side to take on this.
Nobody knows this better than Hillary Clinton. That's why Hillary is running to the right of Bush on this issue, IMO. Figure that Hillary already has the left coast votes, plus the upper midwest and New England states. If she can peel off a couple of southern states over the immigration and border issue (Ariz., N.M., Fla.) she can get to 270 EVs.
There is no way in he!! I'd cast my vote for Hillary. But I can sure make life a living hell by protesting to my Congressmen and Senators.
We cannot afford Hillary, Mr. President.
-Dan
Everyone needs to contact their respective U.S.Senators and Congressman and let them know where you stand on this issue. Pressure, pressure, pressure. A country that does not control it's borders or enforces it's laws doesn't have much of a future. America's system of assimilation worked because it controlled the number and quality of those it admitted; it doesn't appear to be doing much of either over the past 30 years. This IS a highly emotional wedge issue that the seething Democrats will gladly sink their teeth into full speed. Regardless, what matters is the picture in the long run. The little people who are most directly affected by uncontrolled immigration are the ones that kept Bush in; he, and all the big people of the Republican party, have to be reminded, repeatedly, of that.
I will NEVER vote for Hillary, no matter what she does about illegal immigration. The rest of the package contains too much peril.
But yes, the GOP better wake up. They better do something about Saudi Arabia too. {I personally think they're replacing SA as an oil source with Iraq.}
2) This is a crucial issue, but like many things, it must wait its turn. Bush is NOT going to deal with this, or adopt any of Frum's reforms. It will take the NEXT Republican candidate to do this.
3) I already predicted, last year, that immigration would not be a part of the 2004 campaign but would be THE issue of 2008.
4) You cannot make this about "bad employers." This will be the ONLY message the left will hear and it will be the ONLY legislation that they will allow to be passed. This must be the LAST piece of legislation passed.
5) If we are going to be consistent in our law enforcement, and treat both supply and demand side, there must be some increased prosecution of the "bad employers." But this must be consistent and widespread, and NOT symbolic for purposes of having a few high-profile "perp walks."
6) The REAL issue here, though, is that people are committing crimes by crossing the border illegally and for WHATEVER reason they do so, they are criminals and must be treated as such. We only allow "mitigating circumstances" so much room for mercy in other crimes, and so it should be here.
I don't pretend to know who the candidate is who can pull this off---it sure isn't Tancredo---but there IS someone out there. Personally, I think it will take a Hollywood level "star" of Schwarzenegger's power with Tancredo's views to make this happen, although another 9/11 might also galvanize the public.
Bush and the GOP couldn't be more wrong on the Illegal immigration crisis.
Recent reports say that Illegals from below Mexico are bringing in al queda terrorist types and that could spell real Trouble.
Tthe Gop won't do anything until we have another 911 because of this mess.
You only need to listen to Asa Hutchinson to hear the administration's policy. He sure fell into line.
Yep she does. She knows that there is a right wing reactionary sucker born every minute to paraphrase PT Barnum.
If you beleive hillary, I have a bridge to sell you to Brooklyn.
Please do think twice about pulling the lever for Evita II. I agree that the party leadership is running deliberately opposite the membership on immigration. Think about Slick in the Whitehouse, again. Yuck.
David Frum is on CSPAN's Washington Journal right now.
She'll have to do more than talk about it. Hillary could begin by introducing a bill to embarrass the GOP establishment. My guess is Democrats and and the pro homeland security Republicans would vote to pass it. President Bush would then be faced with the choice of either vetoing the bill and handing Hillary and the Dems a potent issue or signing it and alienating the Mexicans and his Open Borders Lobby pals.
As much as I want the govt to do something about this 800 pound gorilla I would never, never, never vote for a hillary...or any other lib ...
::::shudder::::::
But I agree that if the federal government wont do anything than the states need to take it in their own hands and deal with it by following Arizona's lead.
Stop all freebie goodies so generously handed out to them including the "jobs Americans wont take" BS.
Nobody in their right mind will ever cast a vote for that witch. But then, nobody in their right mind would take a gamble that Hillary would actually do something to stop the biggest boon to the Democratic Party, just because she says she will in the campaign.
-Dan
Yeah but would a jury convict a criminal whose crime is to take a job cleaning toilets or pick vegetables.
I said IF. She'll have to walk the talk to earn a vote from me. As they say, talk's cheap. We'll see.
I beg to differ. The repubs don't have anywhere near the backbone to handle this subject ACCORDING TO THE LAW! All they care about is getting reelected. Since Bush is not up for reelection he is going to treat illegal immigration just like they treat Social Security. He will ignore the problem so someone else can take care of it some other time.
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