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To: chris1

Sorry, haven't you learned? I live in OH. OH will NEVER vote for Hillary. Nor will 300 other EVs.


52 posted on 12/31/2004 6:25:56 AM PST by LS
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To: LS

If the GOP puts up some weak kneed RINO, we are in deep trouble.

I live in NYC and will tell you the immigration problem, amongst GOP voters, IS THE NUMBER 1 ISSUE.


54 posted on 12/31/2004 6:29:38 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: LS

Your hatred of Hillary is your own concern and not shared by 60% of the American people.

Hatred doesn't win. The side that was perceived by most Americans to be driven by hatred lost in 72, in 96, and this year.

In fact, the GOP lost congressional seats in 1998 because the American people DID NOT WANT an impeachment crisis.


67 posted on 12/31/2004 6:53:11 AM PST by Sam the Sham
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To: LS

----OH will NEVER vote for Hillary. Nor will 300 other EVs.----

As things stand, Hillary has an automatic 183 electoral votes going in. Automatic. 107 of those come from only three states (CA, NY, IL). Then there's CT, DE, HI, ME, MD, MA, NJ, RI, VT, and WA.

65 more electoral votes are from states that are not givens but generally lean Democrat: MI, MN, OR, PA, and WI.

That's 248 electoral votes.

So, Hillary needs only pick up two or three swing states to get the 23 she'll need to get to 271. OH and NH alone would do it for her. FL alone would do it for her. AZ, NM, and CO could easily swing her way over the immigration question.

Hillary's chances of becoming the 44th President are very real, and the GOP had better understand that and work like hell.

-Dan

72 posted on 12/31/2004 7:09:28 AM PST by Flux Capacitor (NIXON NOW!!!)
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To: LS; backhoe; Liz; oldglory; MinuteGal; mcmuffin; gonzo; JulieRNR21; sheikdetailfeather

"Sorry, haven't you learned? I live in OH. OH will NEVER vote for Hillary. Nor will 300 other EVs." - LS

Hillary will NEVER be president.

Hillary's mentor, Saul Alinsky in "Rules for Radicals":

"The first rule of power tactics is: power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886451/posts

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New York Daily News Published: 1/17/00
Author: BARBARA OLSON

"He who fears corruption fears life." - Saul Alinsky,

"Rules for Radicals"

This quote immediately came to mind after my reading of Hillary Rodham's Wellesley College senior thesis - a document kept under lock and key since the 1992 elections.

Back then, when researchers and journalists were searching for information on the newly elected First Couple, Wellesley suddenly declared that it would seal the thesis of any graduate who became President or First Lady.

A few weeks ago, however, I came into possession of Hillary's suppressed thesis.

In those 75 pages, the future First Lady reveals herself as someone steeped in the political lore and history of one of America's most political cities. No, not New York - Chicago. There she began her political journey from Goldwater girl to leftist icon.

The thesis' title, "There is Only the Fight ... An Analysis of the Alinsky Model," exposes Clinton's strong ideological attachment to her most influential mentor, Saul Alinsky.

Reading this work makes it clear why she had to remove it from public view, for Alinsky, who died in 1972, was a radical social activist who preached grass-roots organizing and intense, confrontational politics.

While Clinton was studying under Alinsky, he was preparing what would be his final and most important book: "Rules for Radicals," published less than two years after Hillary graduated from Wellesley and only one year before his death.

Alinsky's hold on Hillary is astonishingly evident in her thesis, which is replete with his yet-unpublished political tactics. The thesis reveals that he was moving from local organizing efforts to a new arena - the national stage.

She wrote: "His [Alinsky's] new aspect, national planning, derives from the necessity of entrusting social change to institutions, specifically the United States government."

Alinsky, we can now see, taught Hillary the political tactics that she successfully deployed in Arkansas and the White House and is now beginning to use in New York.

What were his lessons?

Alinsky defined "obtaining power" as a key tactic of organizing his "mass jujitsu." His formula for attack: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it."

This principle has become the essence of the Clinton rapid-response tactic and a key aspect of Hillary's attacks on what she has dubbed "a vast right-wing conspiracy."

The Clinton White House has adhered to Alinsky's rule that "ridicule is man's most potent weapon" and followed his advice to "let nothing get you off your target."

Hillary discusses another Alinsky rule - "power is the very essence, the dynamo of life" - in her thesis. Clearly, she had absorbed his lesson that one must first obtain power to achieve real change.

But nowhere in her thesis - or in her later life - does she seem to recognize the classical liberal critique that the relentless pursuit of power is antithetical to democracy.

Perhaps the most prescient part of the thesis is a quote from a profile of Alinsky in The Economist: "His charm lies in his ability to commit himself completely to the people in the room with him. In a shrewd though subtle way, he often manipulates them while speaking directly to their experience."

Although her thesis was written several years before she cornered Bill Clinton in the Yale Law School library, Hillary had come to recognize the potential power of a man of exceptional charm.

Alinsky recognized the potential of his student and offered her a paying job to develop organizers for "mass power-based organizations."

Hillary's thesis confirmed the offer and called it "tempting." But she decided law school was a better place to develop the skills necessary to effect the changes in government she has spent so much of her life trying to achieve.

Hillary's thesis received an A. So far, her political acumen in New York has yielded her at best a C-. But her story continues to unfold.

Barbara Olson is the author of "Hell to Pay: The Unfolding Story of Hillary Rodham Clinton." 73 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1035840/posts?page=73#73 12-10-2003

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BILL, HILLARY, SAUL, AND MORAL RELATIVISM Saul Alinsky and the Lessons He Taught Bill and Hillary FR ^ | 03/23/00 | The Wanderer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886451/posts

R. Emmett Tyrrell references Alinsky quite often in his just released book Madame Hillary: The Road to the White House.

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Saul Alinsky - The Religious Left follows him "religiously". Their magazine: Sojourners
Rev. Jim Wallis, Editor, Sojourners Magazine
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.article&issue=Soj0003&article=000311


87 posted on 12/31/2004 7:54:04 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Today's DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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