Posted on 12/23/2004 8:37:38 AM PST by NYer
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This I know for sure. My ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War did so because they were Christians and wanted freedom to practice their religion. I won't forget their sacrifices so easily. Some of them died penniless after giving personal funds so the country could run.
Either we have freedom of religion- or we do not. Either my ancestors stood for something meaningful or they did not. None of this PC stuff for me. I have no issue with anyone who does not believe as I do... but let us not forget the founding fathers and the men who died back then to give us the right to say- among other things-Merry Christmas.
We have people being arrested for praying- and as a Conservative,in this day and age,we know what the left has planned for "Jesus Land".
Let anyone have any holiday they want- this is America- good do it! But leave Christmas alone.
BTW- no one is debating whether we should be able to say Happy Solstice, Happy Hanukkah, happy Atheist day, Happy Ramadan, happy Shinto day ...... this is all about shutting out Christians and putting an end to our holy day.
What religion, which was represented by our early citizens is being attacked today?
You will note there is one.
These "Secular Fundamentalists" are WRONG.
Their "Beliefs" are ANTITHETICAL to the "Founding Beliefs of our Nation," & are "Antithetical to" the Defining Concepts of our Culture.
Most of "Western Civilization" is BASED ON "Judeo-Christian Jurisprudence!!"
To ABANDON our "Christian Heritage," is to Abdicate the Influence of "Judeo-Christian Philosophy & Jurisprudence" in our Western Culture.
"Western Culture & Constitutional Philosophy" is BASED ON "Judeo-Christian Principles!!"
Until we are Forced to Abandon the "Backbone of our Civilization," OUR Principles shall be the Criteria by which ALL OTHER "Civilizations" are Measured!
Since WE ARE the "Dominant Civilization;"OTHER," (Especially, "Muslim"), "Civilizations" Must be "Measured By" their "Comparative Success" vs our "Christian Culture."
"Islam" is a "Sick 'Second'" to the more Vibrant, Alive, "Western Culture!"
"Islam" is NOT the "Future of Western Civilization,"--& It's Proponents KNOW IT!!
Doc
NO, NO and NO.
BTW- The Jewish faith is hardly full of Atheists.
Their holiday falls on the day after March 31.
You chill out and butt out. Are you sure your name isn't Torrie?
But you are not celebrating Christmas, and I am. Therefore you and I can not compare ourselves to each other there- or say whos Christmas joy is more or less, anything at all .
Very true. Perhaps ironically, the United States of America (along with England but not Scotland) is one of the few exceptions to this -- our system of jurisprudence is essentially pagan at its core. The systems commonly referred to as the English Common Law system were documented in part by the Romans prior to the birth of Christ, and the Angles (from which the term "English" is derived) occupied the isles hundreds of years before the first Christian missionaries set foot in the region. Calling the system of that region "Judeo-Christian" ignores the facts surrounding its history and the relatively extensive documentation from Romans, Christian missionaries, and later occupiers regarding its history -- that particular legal system was a point of fascination for almost everyone who came to that part of the world and was widely written about. It is worth pointing out that the technical legality of abortion in US law is derived to a significant extent from the Common Law, which has traditionally not given a fetus any legal status until 4-5 months of gestation ("the quickening" in the old law), and even after that, only provisional legal status.
I would agree that the English Common Law system has generally been a point of real strength and civilization among the Anglo countries, but it is not Judeo-Christian in origin by any reasonable interpretation of history. It embodies many fine notions that are an anathema to liberals e.g. its preference for "equitable" rather than "equal" treatment and strong recognition of individual property rights. It has been said that the by far the biggest gift the British empire bestowed upon the world was its legal system; every colony, no matter how ill-treated in their own minds, has benefited greatly from the institutionalization of the English Common Law system in their own countries, as it fosters economic and political success.
And that's the rub. I think I AM celebrating Christmas. It is a cultural thing - a tie which binds the secularist with the religious, because it is our common culture. It is part and parcel of who we are. Cheers. I am just trying to give you a bit more hope and strength to reject the notion that the future which lies ahead is some abysmal null set entropic acultural amoral vaccuum bereft of any memory worth remembering.
But the reason it is called Christmas is because it is CHRISTmas. I have no issue wishing you glad tidings either or Hey saying let's be proud to be Americans together....BUT the reason it is our common culture is because we live in a largely Christian nation. And that brings us back to where we were.I have hope that all of this nonsense by the left to ruin Christmas will reap the whirlwind. Oh I have nuttin but hope.
Thanks, Though a few of my sentences and words mysterious disappeared after I hit the post button, I glad it remained coherent
Like between "These attacks" and "Outside of..." it should be
These attacks have only really started since after the election and have gotten pretty nasty recently. And I don't know what many of these Christians are expecting to accomplish, look at how well the nasty attacks and lies the Democrats hurled at George Bush and Republicans have worked over the years, do you really expect to have a different result by using the same method and not just with winning elections but with keeping and recruiting new members into your religion.
Does any serious person truly believe that ANY politician would ever willingly drive away a bloc of votes?
Apparently many of these Evangelical Christians think they can win it all by themselves and don't need any other bloc of voters. There in for a nasty surprise if they keep it up, They think their persecuted now, just wait until Hillary gets to appoint judges. And if Jesse Ventura runs in 2008 there will be an acceptable (even if not viable) 3rd party candidate for people "chased" out of the Republican party to vote for.
Great facts, too. Ever since the election, certain sects of Christians have been acting as if it was they, and they alone who won the election for the President. This "atheist-bashing" is one possible symptom.
It was the Liberals and media. They hyped up the moral values vote (which in reality it was no greater and even less of a factor than in previous elections) and frankly it's gone to many Christian's head. If I was a big conspiracy guy, I would almost think they did on purpose to drive a wedge between social and fiscal conservatives. Though I have no idea where all this paranoia is coming from, many of these same Christians are acting like there's a Kristallnacht going on in every town in America, That to will go over as well as "You're questioning my Patriotism" B.S. the Democrats pushed.
Here's another thought...the President doesn't bash anyone because he's actually a nice man, as well as an HONEST Christian.
Agreed, I am very happy to have him as my President
I'm cutting the Birchers some slack right now on account of it being Christmas and all. Merry xmas!!!!
As NCPAC said we both believe in A Superior Being, anyone that thinks that someone didn't put us here isn't thinking correctly. All i'm saying is that if a man writes something down then it's possible that it contains mistakes or possibly a little fiction has been added to go along with the truths. Please don't take this as an attack against Christianity, my loyalties lie with Christians above all other Religions. However i'm just not sure that I believe everything that's written in the good book simply because it was written by man.
http://www.ditext.com/gettier/gettier.html
what a hoot. I read that article almost 30 years ago, the prof had mimeographed (note, not copied) the article from the text in which in was found.
When my history studying friends would bitch and moan about the 500 pages they had to read that week, I would pull out my assignments, and let them know I had to read about 7 pages that week. They took one look at my reading assignments, and then expressed joy that they didn't have to read that crap.
I checked what kind of replies you had gotten and was shocked to see that there were none.
LOL. Was your freepmail empty also?
Interesting interpretation of #10. I hadn't thought about it that way.
and why does a shell from a little girl's hand have value? And if it does so to you, does that mean it does so to me?
If not, it has only an ascribed value, as does human flesh- to a cannibal.
To deny the existence of inherent value is not only to pull the rug out from under the religionist, but from under your own feet as well. We all fall in the morass of meaninglessness together, or of pretending that things have value to protect our sanity from the bottomless pit of meaninglessness.
Second, to assert that a thing has value solely because a finite human being asserts that it does, or that a majority votes that it does, or because it just feels like it does-once again places the value statement of the moralist in the same category as that of the cannibal.
Either there is meaning external to man, or Nietzche was right and all of life is absurd, and the only escape suicide. Europe is a perfect example of a society that has taken the latter path. They cant stand for anything because they aren't convinced that anyone is right. Holland's latest news is euthanasia justified on the groud of being sick of life.
Good point. That is the fallacy of the Bahai faith. The only way you can assert that all religions are really the same is to determine to be grossly ignorant of most of them, to stand at such a distance from any of them that they at least kind of look the same, and then use that as the justification of going about living your own life as you please. It's a hippie version of going to confession in the morning so you can get drunk at night guilt free. It innoculates the soul against the ramifications of there in fact being an infinite personal God.
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