[Diva Betsy Ross]

Well we found some common ground. I agree with you on all of that. Except that your joy is more resilient than mine. You may be celebrating something the day after tomorrow and that is your right. Do whatever you want- however you want to do it. Celebrate anything you so desire. And I wish you all the joys of the day.

But you are not celebrating Christmas, and I am. Therefore you and I can not compare ourselves to each other there- or say whos Christmas joy is more or less, anything at all .

[Torie]

And that's the rub. I think I AM celebrating Christmas. It is a cultural thing - a tie which binds the secularist with the religious, because it is our common culture. It is part and parcel of who we are. Cheers. I am just trying to give you a bit more hope and strength to reject the notion that the future which lies ahead is some abysmal null set entropic acultural amoral vaccuum bereft of any memory worth remembering.