Posted on 12/05/2004 10:06:24 PM PST by metalmanx2j
This commercial is an attempt by the uber liberals to try and show the Christian Right as monsters! For a good annaysis go to http://www.starktruth.com
Wasn't Ben an Athiest or Freemason or something?
BTW, I think it funny that typical liberals so open armed to all walks of life (at least you would think so), criticize Christians as being biggots and judgemental people, when really, we accept the scum of the earth as our brothers and sisters. Christ wasn't hanging around with the upper crust, but employed murderers and hookers into his ministry, and converted them. We might be hypocritical at times, we're human, and we're all sinners and we need to try to be better examples. I know I'm not an example for anyone to follow right now, but I still realize we're all God's beloved children even with the most horrifying acts we commit. If and only if we give ourselves to him completely. - Thanks for reading, ;-)
It was said by a certain author that the biggest, and first losers of Islam are the believers themselves. And, if you know Islam even a little, the five pillars of the Islamic faith are laid out to defeat each other. And many do not give complete accountance of "how to" leaving their believers to make things up. I'm glad Christ didn't leave us hanging!
In a sane world, yes, gays are turned away from church and rapists are turned away from the White House.
Farakans Church has bouncers... then again he's a muslim.
Having emerged from the bigotry of the previous scene, featured laughing and smiling on screen as that "commitment" is "proclaimed" are a couple of fresh faced preteen girls (one Asian, one white), the aforementioned Hispanic man, a black couple, what appears to be an elderly Jewish couple, and two thirtyish women (presumably lesbians) who are arm-in-arm.
Written text interrupts the scene, announcing, "Jesus didn't turn people away. Neither do we." A narrator then proclaims the United Church of Christ's commitment to Jesus' extravagant welcome: "No matter who you are, or where you are on life's journey, you are welcome here."
I have been observing that commercials are increasingly promoting a product or service that isn't really needed by anyone. Without the ability to earnestly say, "This is why you need this product," they must invent reasons why the target audience should consider it. For example: where I live, the local cable company promoted their broadband service by comparing DSL unfavorably with it, suggesting that the further you live from the phone company, the slower your download speed. This idea was furthered by a scene in which a grinning boob who wants DSL calculates with one of those measuring wheels where he would have to move to get faster DSL service.
In order to counter what its press release described as "relentless erosion," The United Church of Christ had to invent a reason why people should come to their church. Being "the gay-friendly church" apparently wasn't expansive enough -- they wanted to reach out to Latinos and blacks too, even though I don't remember either of those groups complaining that they didn't have churches where they were welcome.
The UCC all but admits this is an attention-garnering stunt. As the press release says, "In an age of media saturation, if you are not visible on television, the popular assumption is that you do not exist." They are trying to stoke the controversy about not being seen into a censorship issue, which might be covered this time around because it is not a conservative group crying foul.
Will this work? I don't know. But what I do know is that this fits nicely with the rabid blue-staters who fear God as interpreted by George W. Bush.
Catholic churches are open to all, though if you're homosexual then you might not like the message.
This reminds me of an old episode of Dragnet, the TV show. (Paraphrased from aging memory) There was a theft at a church. Friday and Gannon go to speak to the priest. The priest tells them how the baby Jesus was taken from the church's manger scene the night before.
Friday asks how the burglers gained entry.
The priest explains that the doors to the church are never locked.
Friday says "You never lock the doors? Even to theves?"
The priest says "ESPECIALLY TO THIEVES!"
Somehow, I don't think Farakahn or Fruit of Islam are the Christian Right as this newbie suggests..
Turning away sodomite freaks? Sounds like a church that wants to protect its children and not be condemned by God.
Here's an interesting quote from Franklin: [It's a little long, but well worth reading.]
Signer of the U.S. Constitution and The Declaration of Independence, Benjamin Franklin, noted during the Constitutional Convention in 1787:
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that 'except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel.
We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."
Franklin was no atheist. He wasn't, IIRC, a regular churchgoer.
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
More on the "church bouncers" TV ad from the United Church of Christ [sic].
Details about the ad, how they lump in racial prejudice with the "gay is good" crap.
It's not an ad, it's a little piece of dung-like propaganda designed to make Bible believing Christians look like racial bigots. I hope the ad acts like cold water in the face to anyone who still thinks that homosexuals just want "tolerance".
Let ItsOurTimeNow and me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
Sorry, but I am just getting sooooooooooooooooo sick and tired of the in-your-face stoolpacker agenda.
I swear, these sickos are going to push normal healthy folks too far one day.
That's the UCC commercial. It should be titled "Strawman 101."
I think that day is starting to dawn. The more regular people see pictures of men in tuxedos getting "married", or better yet, one man in a tuxedo and one in a wedding gown, or two seriously ugly women getting all snuggly, the more the very natural revulsion for creepy weirdo sickness and sexual dysfunction is going to surface, and then be acted upon.
I think that the tide may be turning.
Spread the word to everyone you know. A good tactic is to find informative articles, or links and email them to people or print them out. EdReform often posts links or excerpts of very good information that is not available in the MSM.
The light of truth shining on the hatefulness that is the "gay" agenda is all we really need. And then conservatives need to stop being Mr. Niceguy, and start kicking *ss. Metaphorically speaking, at least most of the time.
BUT: if a homosexual enters one of our churches, they will hear that homosexuality is a sin and they need to repent. (And all other sinners will hear that they need to repent from their sins, myself included.)
People living in flagrant sin will not teach Sunday School, serve as deacons or elders, nor preach the Gospel.
The Presbyterian Church In America; "We're the intolerant Presbyterians"
Franklin was no atheist. He wasn't, IIRC, a regular churchgoer.
I saw the History Channel special too. It seems that while Franklin was not devout he and his circle of friends made a point of contributing to all denominations (wanting to stay on everybody's good side, the better for business) including helping to sponsor the first synagogue in Philadelphia. I'm sure that somewhere among Poor Richard's sayings must be some homily about religion not being a subject for grown men to fight about.
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN'S CALL TO PRAYER
In 1787 delegates from numerous states had gathered in the city of Philadelphia to construct the U.S Constitution, a plan of government that has now stood the test of time for over 200 years. They were to spend 4 long months laboring over this great foundational document that would produce the longest lasting democracy and haven of freedom the world has ever known.
However, things weren't going too well during the first few weeks. There were heated debates over petty issues and the whole project was on the verge of total collapse. There had even been a proposal to dismiss and return to their respective states.
In the midst of all this frustration and tension, the old statesman of the gathering, Benjamin Franklin stood to his feet, leaned on his cane, and addressed the President of the convention, George Washington. Here were the words he spoke on June 28, 1787:
"Mr. President: The small progress we have made after four or five weeks close attendance and continual reasonings with each other - - - our different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last producing as many noes as ayes is, methinks, a melancholy proof of the imperfection of the human understanding. We indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom since we have been running about in search of it.
In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights, to illuminate our understanding?
In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the Divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?
I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, sir, in the Sacred Writings, that 'except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.' I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel: we shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and byword down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war, and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move - - - that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."
That speech had both immediate and ongoing results. The tensions melted, the atmosphere changed, and this group of men went on to construct the greatest constitution that has ever existed.
Also, Congress began to start every session with prayer, a practice that continues to this present day! Incidentally, during the entire 4 months in which the Constitution, the 1st Amendment, and the Bill of Rights were being written, not one thing was said about 'separation of church and state'!
In this prayer, Benjamin Franklin quotes from both Old and New Testaments of the Bible. There should be no doubt as to which "God" he is referring to.
This story was taken from the following sources:
The Papers of James Madison, James Madison, Henry D. Gilpin, editor (Washington: Langtree & Sullivan, 1840) Vol. II, pp. 984-986. June 28, 1787
History of the United States, Benson J. Lossing, 1875, Ch. IX, pp. 358-359, published by Hartford: T. Belknap
A Complete History of the United States, J.A. Spencer & Benson J. Lossing, 1878, Book IV, Chap. II, pp. 221-221, published by William T. Amies
An American Primer, Daniel J. Boorstin, 1966, p. 95, published by Meridan, a division of Penguin Books Original Intent, David Barton, 2000, Wallbuilder Press, Aledo Tx., chap. 8, p. 185
HEY! I'm not a fricking newbie! I've been on this site for quite a long time. Maybe not as long as you, but I am NO newbie to it!
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Maybe he wasn't *that* kind of deist. Also from what I have read he chaned his viewpoint on religion quite a bit as he got older.
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