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Chiefs oppose police immigration role
The Washington Times ^ | December 01, 2004 | UPI Article

Posted on 12/03/2004 6:40:54 AM PST by Ron H.

Washington, DC, Dec. 1 (UPI) -- The world's largest group of law enforcement executives said Wednesday it opposes legislation to compel police enforcement of immigration laws.

The International Association of Chiefs of Police said it opposes the Clear Law Enforcement For Criminal Alien Removal Act, and urged "Congress to proceed with caution when considering measures that would compel local and state law enforcement agencies to enforce federal immigration laws."

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KEYWORDS: aliens; clearact; illegalalien; immigrantlist; immigration; invader; lawenforcement; leo; migrants; police; policechief
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To: Ron H.

They'd rather be down at the Krispy Kreme or Dunkin Donuts pigging out.


21 posted on 12/03/2004 8:43:35 AM PST by Militiaman7 (Jesus is my personal Physician.)
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To: marty60; Ron H.; All

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22 posted on 12/03/2004 8:46:10 AM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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To: Joe Hadenuf; gubamyster; Regulator; 1_Inch_Group; Ed Current
Bump! - starting to get a little interesting.




23 posted on 12/03/2004 8:46:53 AM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: Ron H.
Only until just recently the local LEO agencies have for better than two centuries actively enforced our nations federal laws including immigration violations.

Sir, please reread my post.

I said Federal government had 'no authority to force'...

If the locals CHOOSE to cooperate, it's their affair.

24 posted on 12/03/2004 8:46:59 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a 'legal entity')
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


25 posted on 12/03/2004 8:48:17 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: Militiaman7
They'd rather be down at the Krispy Kreme or Dunkin Donuts pigging out.

LOL. You just might have a point there. But I kind of doubt that the buttoned down blue suit Chiefs eat at a donut shop anymore.

26 posted on 12/03/2004 8:49:03 AM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: MamaTexan

I did read it Madammmmmm.


27 posted on 12/03/2004 8:50:14 AM PST by Ron H. (Immigration to America has always been a privilege and never a right!)
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To: Ron H.
Washington, DC, Dec. 1 (UPI) -- The world's largest group of law enforcement executives said Wednesday it opposes legislation to compel police enforcement of immigration laws.

Let's see......... their job is LAW ENFORCEMENT. They don't want to do that job. Fire them, and find people WHO DO understand the job description. Is this so hard?

Frankly, they should be jailed for criminal negligence. Crimes committed by illegals under condoning eye of public servants can only lead to vigilante justice in time. That time has come in border towns. It's coming to your town too if these individuals don't get their mind right, and we the people do not demand that they do their jobs. Why have a police department if they pick and choose what they feel like doing that day?

28 posted on 12/03/2004 8:56:53 AM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: Ron H.

They have the donuts catered


29 posted on 12/03/2004 9:09:07 AM PST by Militiaman7 (Jesus is my personal Physician.)
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To: Ron H.
This is one of the primary reasons our immigration enforcement policies have NEVER worked. This is ongoing, and requires a total immigration policy rewrite to fix.

It is clear that there are no efforts being made to get LEO to work with FED.

Justifications for this attitude are more numerous than the illegal count, but that is changing as more and more jump the borders.

If the Fed were to create large numbers of enforcement agents to counter this, the complaint would be too much Federal interference, and that has already occurred.

All of my arguments in favor of the idea that work permits and employer data bases has a good chance at controlling this situation from the demand side become more pertinent as these barriers to enforcement become clear.

More warehouse space to store these people will be circumvented by ACLU types.

Enforcement actions like roundups and apprehensions are being derailed by LEO and courts are resistant to setting up a processing "triage" type of fast justice for their own judicial "rights" worries.

We are now at a total impasse.

The only thing left is to jack up the license plates and replace the entire vehicle.

We have no choices or options left that have not been tried and subsequently failed for a myriad of reasons.

Let's hope that cooler heads prevail and some common sense reforms are put in place to eliminate the causes of illegal immigration as soon as possible.

The status quo is DOA. We cannot afford to continue this stupid argument that "all we need to do is enforce the laws we currently have".

That statement is simply and obviously not true.

30 posted on 12/03/2004 9:12:57 AM PST by Cold Heat (What are fears but voices awry?Whispering harm where harm is not and deluding the unwary. Wordsworth)
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To: JesseJane
There is no way municipalities could afford  to enforce immigration laws.  Where would they incarcerate these people, the jails are already overcrowded illegals don't get bailed. Who takes them to court? Where do you get all the additional officers. Who pays for medical for the alien  and their dependants.

The only way that local and for that matter state police could possibly undertake enforcing immigration laws would require a whole new training program (federal law).

The feds right now won't accept arrested aliens leaving over worked under financed communities holding the bag. Border towns would be wasted.

The feds have the laws and money and they should do their job.

BTW should border towns have all this dumped on them.

31 posted on 12/03/2004 9:40:03 AM PST by sandviper
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To: sandviper

Well, I wish I agreed with you but I don't.

We should round them up put them in holding pens, then bring in buses and bus them back to the border. They are already costing us more than it would take to bus their butts back. I don't think we should put them up in our jails, because that costs money too. No.. back to Mexico for the majority, and dump the others at their embassy's to deal with... on their own country's dime. Further, fine the the country for our costs.

The feds should do their job and the local's should do their job...

And no, it's not just a border town issue... that is rediculous IMO.. Your car insurance, health insurance and taxes are going up as a result of this problem being ignored... Multiculturalism is killing standards in education.... It's out of hand across the land, and must be dealt with in every community.. We need to get on the same page on this. National Security ignored is asking for trouble in any city.


32 posted on 12/03/2004 9:59:57 AM PST by JesseJane ("If the enemy is in range, so are you." -Infantry Journal)
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To: sandviper
There is no way municipalities could afford to enforce immigration laws.

I agree. I am related to a former Sheriff in Oklahoma. He could completely fill his jail with illegals in a couple days, if he wanted to bust his budget providing them with room, board and medical. He called the INS (once) after his deputies had arrested several illegals. They told him not to bother them unless he caught a whole busload and refused to pick them up. They had to let them go because they didn't have the funds to hold them.

They are pretty much limited to harassment measures. They can periodically roll into an area with illegals and watch them scurry off. I think most of the deputies would go the extra mile and arrest/hold them if the feds would just come pick them up.

33 posted on 12/03/2004 11:11:51 AM PST by sawoody
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To: sawoody

You said it better then me !!!!


34 posted on 12/03/2004 12:01:33 PM PST by sandviper
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To: Ron H.
Wasn't that the scenario in H.G. Wells famous book, '1984'?

But yes, such thinking does promote federal power over states'.

35 posted on 12/03/2004 12:47:01 PM PST by NewRomeTacitus (Be legal or be gone.)
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To: MikeinIraq

It would give them PLENTY of overtime!!


36 posted on 12/03/2004 1:28:08 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Ron H.
Hmm. Wasn't there a lawsuit over the Brady Act, filed by a New Mexico sheriff, complaining that (essentially) it wasn't local law enforcement's job to enforce Federal laws? And didn't we all cheer when that suit was successful?

Oh, but that's different, y'see, because in that case it was our ox being gored...

37 posted on 12/03/2004 1:30:53 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Publius Valerius
If the Congress wants to make such laws, let them use federal agents to enforce the laws.

Hear, hear. It's funny how quickly some drop the veneer of "states' rights" and "federalism" when they get to gore their favorite hobbyhorse.

38 posted on 12/03/2004 1:32:26 PM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Cold Heat
You state a good theory, BUT, it's too late for the government to do anything except declare amnesty.

We, the people, don't want amnesty given.

Therefore, we, the people, and the government are at an impasse.

There will be vigilanteism, beatings, riots, and blood in the streets before it's all over.

39 posted on 12/03/2004 1:40:33 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: MamaTexan; Militiaman7; JesseJane; Just another Joe; All

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40 posted on 12/03/2004 2:37:49 PM PST by AuntB (Every person who enters the U.S. illegally--from anywhere--increases the likelihood of another 9/11)
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