Posted on 11/18/2004 7:46:33 AM PST by gopwinsin04
Former President William Jefferson Clinton formerly opens his Presidential Center, which will hold the papers from his two term presidency.
Attending the ceremony will be President George W. Bush, former Presidents Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush, along with First Lady Laura Bush ,Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Rosalyn Carter and Barbara Bush.
LOL! Ya did great, kcvl... thank you! Nothing made me happier today than seeing Klintoon's Big Day in Little Rock spoiled by a downpour of cold rain, and his appearance on national TV looking like a drowned RAT! ;-D
I believe that's the body of Vince Foster...
Yes, "spidiot" fits Matthews........... who hosts "Spitball" not Hardball.
Michelle Malkin has a cream pie for his fat, arrogant, spittin' face.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1365119,00.html
Texan storm drenches Clinton parade
I just love taking credit!!!...;)
For the record, and for those who were saying that President Bush spoke for 20 minutes or longer, Rush and Malloy's column today in the New York Post says that the President spoke for SIX minutes.
I did not watch..I read...(Clinton adoration and puffery and Hillary give me heartburn)..but I understand the Bush good manners and graciousness..some do not..Some are showing a lavendar page...;)
I know, I snickered all day Wednesday in the rain here knowing that it would be in Arkansas the next day. I did NOT like our two Presidents (father & son) being in it however.
I didn't want them drenched either..but it seemed so FITTING..I loved the Brit paper's title!..
Though, I don't think that me saying the President should have been more bland/mundane in his comments was calling for a "gut shot".
And, I am very familiar with loving the sinner. But, as I recall, forgiveness is ALWAYS based on repentence. Bill Clinton has never even implied that he was sorry for what he had done. In fact, to the contrary, his "because I could" explanation shows how truly depraved this man is.
As we all know, the President is a Christian and a good man. No dispute. The President is a man of character. He has shown that many times.
But, and this is the last time I'm going to say this, the President simply did not have to be that glowing in his remarks.
He could have been classy, he could have shown his character, and he could have shown how Christian a man he is-- he could have done all of that without the actually saying some of the things that he said.
These people showed how ungrateful they really are when less than an hour after the President's remarks, Klintoon was out slamming the President. Now, it didn't take this incident to show me how low these people are. Alas, we all have known this for a very long time. Which is why, I think, that the President's remarks were so hard to believe.
Now, did Klintoon show himself (again) for the ungrateful bastard that he is? Yes. Of course. But, we didn't need another episode to know this.
Look this issue is over. I have made my point clear. You have made yours. There is one last thing I want to say (and OhioWfan, this next comment is a more general comment, not necessarily directed at you)...
This thread was laced with a lot of BS insinuations about fellow FREEPERs. We are supposed to be having good quality discussions. Sometimes these discussion get heated (sometimes, overheated). We all need to hash this crap out in a semi-civil tone.
When you don't agree with someone, you don't start calling people names and saying that they are democrats or Kerry supporters. That's cheap and it's a very poor way of making a point.
And, while I realize that we have way too many trolls who join to do nothing but cause problems (Lord knows, I like a good ZOT-fest like anyone), you really need to look at the FREEPER's comments "In Forum" before you start lodging those cheap accussations. If you want to know about me, you are welcome to look at my comments in the forum. You will learn a lot about how I am and what I'm all about.
And worse, before you start running to the mods by using the "Report Abuse", when all there really is, is some comments that you don't agree with. As I do, when I suspect someone is a troll, I look at their profile to see when they joined and then I look at their "In Forum" comments. If there comments are consistently troll-like, then, by all means, report them. But, if you don't like someone's comments and you look at their comment history and it is solid conservative, non troll-like comments, you need to refrain from running to the mods.
It happened on this thread and a newer, but very solid FREEPER's account was suspended. That's wrong. We can disagree, but we don't have to be disagreeable. And, I know that the discussion got heated and some things were said that was fuel on the fire. But, we certainly don't need to run to the mods, complaining about someone without due cause. And, if you are going to report abuse and ask for a FREEPER to be suspended or banned, then you should at least look at someone's history of comments, not just one or a few comments on 1 particular thread.
Anyway, I respect all of you all's opinions even if I disagree with them. Funny thing, talk radio this morning was rehashing all of the different perspectives that we ran through yesterday. So, in that regard, we are all 12 hours ahead of the game, which is kind of nice.
FRegards to all....
Long-standing membership does not give one the right to be rude. And when a person is repeatedly asked to change behavior and does not do so, I think asking for a ruling from the moderator is appropriate.
You will notice that the moderator gave said person a chance to quit. Suspension could have been avoided if she had complied with the moderator.
As far as your take on the speech, it seems to me that letting President Bush's courtesy and class make you angry is not very helpful. First of all, he is not going to behave any differently. He will be courteous to Jacques Chirac when he goes to Europe. I couldn't do it, but I am not as nice a person as he is. That is how he is, and you are just going to have to accept it. He is NEVER going to attack someone in a public venue. Period.
Actually, The Lord is doing a number on the man that was the true enabler of 911!!! First, he sent him a message which led to a four artery bypass operation. Yesterday, the Almighty sent him "buckets" of rain to ruin his big day. Seriously, folks, Bill Clinton does not look well at all. He is even going to get more depressed when his library is a flop. I mean, really, who is going to go to Little Rock, AR to see the rapist, womanizer, 911 enabler!!! I suspect attendance at his library will be mediocre at best. This guy still does not see the handwriting on the wall, and....I guess he never will until the Lord calls him to serve his time in hell for eternity!!!
One, I don't think you are a 'sinner' because you disagree with the way the President handled this situation, but am sure that he spent time in prayer about it and had others praying for him, and you know as well as I do, that he knows the lack of character of his predecessor.
Two, I still don't think his comments were all that 'glowing.' I haven't read the transcript (it's not that important to me), but I did listen carefully, and most of the things he said were true and were double entendre (i.e. that xlinton and hil had a 'partnership'....i.e. political arrangement and not a marriage that was good for their mutual ambition), some of which made me laugh because they were so well disguised.
Three, the freeper in question had become belligerent and angry, was politely asked to stop by at least four (maybe more) calm posters and kept at it. I don't know if anyone posted abuse, but the Admin Mod asked her to stop, and it was later she was banned.
The mods monitor these things carefully, and warn people who go over the line, so I think your concern over this is unwarranted.
That's all. You're a good example of how a disagreement should be handled. Take care, matt.
Agree with everything you say. The blood of 9/11 is on his hands, along with the terrorists of course. If another 9/11 happens, it won't be because this President has not done everything possible to prevent it....well, maybe the border. And Clinton looked more like Jimmy Carter than Carter himself. Very ill and old looking and at times his whole face was just slack - vacant eyes. Don't know if you read the interview with Brokaw - he is still blaming everyone else for his troubles.
Matt, I participated on this thread yesterday, and saw a lot of the heated comments. The Freeper that got suspended was beyond heated - completely uncivil, rude, and didn't heed the moderator when asked to knock it off. I've read your comments and others, and have no problem with the content - in fact, I also think the president did a bit too much praising. Others disagree. I suspect the Freeper that got suspended wasn't suspended for making comments that someone disagreed with, but for uncivil behavior. That Freeper couldn't even accept an apology. Sometimes some people just need a little "time out" to reflect. Maybe when they come back, they can disagree without being disagreeable.
Just my 02 cents.
Thanks for finding that article and the ping. I got a good laugh out of it to start my day out here on the left coast!
As someone that has gone through a "five" artery bypass in 1998, and is doing well, I can tell you that Bill Clinton has not been following the "rehab" program for by-pass patients very well. I am not surprised, because the idiot did nothing to prevent his coronary problems. I mean, really, here is an ex-President with all the most modern, up-to-date medical expertise and science at his fingertips, and he comes up with "oh by the way, Ive got serious artery blockage". BS, he is just not taking care of himself. I sincerely hope he knows that he is playing with fire. Looking at him sitting there in that chair slumped over was sad at best. I can tell you one thing, his womanizer days are finished!!! I, however much I dislike him, will not wish him ill. That justice belongs to our good Lord who is taking care of that right here on this earth as his life goes on.
it seems to me that letting President Bush's courtesy and class make you angry is not very helpful
Frankly, I'm characterized enough as an angry white man in the press, the liberal, and the kook fringe (like Michael Mooreon). Please let's not make that something that happens around here too often. [wink].
Seriously though, it doesn't make me angry. Upset some, but not angry. I have said, on several occasions, that I think the President went too far in his comments.
...and you are just going to have to accept it. He is NEVER going to attack someone in a public venue. Period.
I never (n-e-v-e-r) said that he should attack him. I simply said that he could have been more mundane in his comments. He and or his speech writers could have laid off a few of the adjectives, if you know what I mean.
Good points, all. I agree completely.
I did hear one comment from W that was a subtle dig. It was the comment that Klintoon could shake a hand, kiss a baby, pose for a picture, etc. (or something like that)..."all at the same time". To me, pointing to Klintoon's duplicitious (or tri-plicitious or even quad-plicitious) tendencies. That was alright.
Look, we all have been subject to various kinds of thread police. And, I realize that many of us are still in hyper-sensitive campaign mode. Kind of like a combat vet that "comes home"...he's still very much on edge.
But, at some point, we have to be frank about things: have we have enough of the "new tone"? Despite the numerous times the demoCREEPs have slapped the administration in the face, when do we stop offering our cheek?
Hence my "call me a sinner" remark. I'm frankly tired of the "new tone" business and I think the speech yesterday rubbed me that way (i.e., just another serious in this new tone business). I think that you will note that I wasn't calling for the "red meat" (Klintoon is a lying, conniving, philandering son-of-a-bitch...all true, by the way), I was simplying hoping for the speech to be "toned down", excuse the pun. That's all.
And, I think that if we were to see through the "heated rhetoric" from the thread yesterday, that we would find some people are just getting fed up with the new tone stuff. It just comes out in different ways.
Hey, we're all FREEPERs. We all, generally, should be working for the defeat of liberals. When the leader of our cause seems to be friendly with or towards the enemy, I think it gives some of us warriors pause.
Just goes to prove that FR is like a big family...fightin', bickerin', arguing over stuff, but we come together to get the job done when it counts.
Thanks for the comments, ohioWfan
mattdono
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