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Judge: Cuba Detainees Must Have Lawyers
AP ^ | 10/20/2004 | Gina Holland

Posted on 10/20/2004 4:10:53 PM PDT by ezfindit

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that terror suspects held in Cuba must be allowed to meet with lawyers, and that the government cannot monitor their conversations.

In a sharp rebuke of the Bush administration, U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said the administration "attempts to erode this bedrock principle" of attorney-client privacy with "a flimsy assemblage" of arguments.

The Supreme Court ruled in June that the 600 foreign-born men then held in the Navy-run prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, could challenge their captivity in American courts.

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To: Max Combined

No!!!!!!! well I'll be. Darn


41 posted on 10/20/2004 5:37:12 PM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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To: clee1; FreedomCalls
Sorry.... Guantanamo Bay Naval Base IS US territory

Sorry.... Guantanamo Bay Naval Base is not U.S. territory.

"U.S. territory" means land owned by the U.S. and the land that Guantanamo Naval Base is on is legally owned by Cuba.

A judge may have ruled that Guantanamo may constitute some sort of U.S. control but Guantanamo is Cuban territory perpetually leased to the U.S. in a lease agreement that states that the lease may not be terminated except by the mutual agreement of both parties.

The yearly "rent" set forth by treaty for the Guantanamo Naval Base land was $2000 in gold.

The U.S. now sends a yearly check for $4,085 to Havana and Castro has refused to cash those checks since 1959.

I spent one year stationed in Guantanamo. If a U.S. civilian contract worker committed a crime, they had to be sent back to the U.S. for trial as no civilian U.S. Court existed on Guantanamo.

42 posted on 10/20/2004 5:45:42 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: KantianBurke

"Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly "

Like I say, beware of those two-name people.


43 posted on 10/20/2004 5:46:01 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: ezfindit

What happens if judge's order is not accepted?


44 posted on 10/20/2004 5:46:54 PM PDT by GOPologist
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
Like I say, beware of those two-name people.

What, you mean like Rodham-Clinton or Heinz-Kerry?

45 posted on 10/20/2004 5:56:26 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Polybius

What matters is that foreign terrorists have just summarily been many of the same rights that only US citizens had before.


47 posted on 10/20/2004 6:39:54 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: ezfindit
This is just getting better and better. First we release a dozen or so of these whack-jobs, only asking them to sign a document stating that they would be good in the future, and then they promptly start attacking American forces, kidnapping and beheading people. Now this nonsense. It's like a bad dream.

IMO, after sufficient interrogation, these monsters should simply be "disappeared". We can tell them "Good news! You are being released!". Then they can be placed on a cargo plane, and at 10,000 feet over the Atlantic Ocean, they can be thrown from the plane one at a time. For good luck they can each wear a pair of PFC England's panties on their heads. We can say that we dropped them off at the Kabul Airport, and we don't know where they went. Who would miss them, besides the ACLU?

48 posted on 10/20/2004 6:45:16 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Time to let slip the dogs...)
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To: ezfindit

Well, I don't care what she says.

1- She's got a hypenated name. And I recall someone saying (someone important but not important enough for my brain to recall) that a "hyphenated American is not an American" which means in this case . . . you figure it out.
2- These are NOT US Citizens, they have NO rights. None, Nada, Zero, Zip.
3- We are at WAR. The rules are different in a WAR. The enemy is TERROR and these people are TERRORists.
4- This hypenated Judge has NO JURISDICTION for terrorist captives as a result of a war.
5- The hypenated Judge is off her meds and needs a thorough and complete physical including electrolyte work up and all the "scans" known to man.

What IS the world coming to????????


49 posted on 10/20/2004 6:46:44 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (November 2, 2004. Can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: ezfindit

Don't worry. This judge has no authority outside the U.S.


50 posted on 10/20/2004 7:08:10 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (God is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: ezfindit

Pentagon: Ex-Detainees Return to Terror
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1247995/posts


51 posted on 10/20/2004 10:25:20 PM PDT by Selene
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To: ezfindit

Some of these jihad judges should be tossed into Gitmo..of course for the purposes of a study.


52 posted on 10/21/2004 8:00:05 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: ezfindit

I agree. It is a violation of our constitution to not let people accused of law violations (even terrorism) to meet with lawyers. It is a basic right.


53 posted on 10/21/2004 8:26:36 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: ezfindit

Fine. Let them have the third-time-to-pass-the-BAR rejects that end up as public defenders.


54 posted on 10/21/2004 10:33:56 AM PDT by EricT. (Join the Soylent Green Party...We recycle dead environmentalists.)
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To: followerofchrist
It is a violation of our constitution to not let people accused of law violations (even terrorism) to meet with lawyers. It is a basic right

They are not accused of law violations; they are enemy combatants captured while actively fighting against our troops or caught plotting acts of terrorism. btw, thinking of terrorism as a criminal act is a 9/10 mindset.

55 posted on 10/21/2004 12:29:08 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember

Are you saying they can't declare an American citizen a terrorist and hold him without a lawyer and without telling him the charges against him?


56 posted on 10/25/2004 8:42:14 AM PDT by followerofchrist
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