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Per FoxNews: Pentagon questioning PO Box Number
FoxNews | 10 SEP 2004 | me

Posted on 09/10/2004 11:09:40 AM PDT by aft_lizard

James Rosen just reported that the Pentagon questions the use of a PO Box on a memo, and that the PO Box may never have been used by that unit saying it seems highly unlikely that they would have PO Box containing sequential numbers. Standard military practice has always been to place the actual physical address on the letter head.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bush; cbs; communistparty; danrather; forgerie; forgery; fraud; liar; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; pobox34567; rathergate; selectricgate
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To: rit

nevermind.

34567 is the PO BOX number. Stupid!!


181 posted on 09/10/2004 12:14:59 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("If you understood what communism was, you would pray that we would be communist." - Jane Fonda)
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To: SOSCEO
Look at the centering. There are 3 lines perfectly centered. How can you back space from a center tab stop proportionally and get perfect results like this? The typewriter does not know what you are going to type. I remember when Wordstar came out for the PC, and this multi-line centering stuff was really gee-whiz tehnnology.

The Executive was well capable of this. Remember, it was only delivered with one font. There were multiple-width space and backspace keys, and you could accurately move the carriage to do type-setter-like work. This was a professional machine, designed to be used by highly skilled typists.

Somebody's going to reproduce this thing on an old typewriter, and then we will wish we concentrated on the obviously forged signature, fake P.O. box, and suspicious content of these docs.

182 posted on 09/10/2004 12:15:54 PM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: TexKat

I know. See my response 167.


183 posted on 09/10/2004 12:16:05 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: aft_lizard; Daus

Oh, no ... she's gone from "suck" to "blow"!

184 posted on 09/10/2004 12:16:21 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: rit
How about the 'TEXAS' in the address line, it should have been abbreviated in the old style, I would assume... Tex? or did the two letter state abbreviations start in 70?
185 posted on 09/10/2004 12:16:30 PM PDT by Barney59
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To: aft_lizard; Daus

It's my industrial-strength hair dryer, and I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT!


186 posted on 09/10/2004 12:16:33 PM PDT by Xenalyte (They call me . . . Tater Salad.)
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To: Kerretarded
LOL. I was just thinking Kerretarded was fitting when I read that post.

However thanks for the links.

187 posted on 09/10/2004 12:16:39 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith

The sequential numbers certainly look hokey. I can't speak for the Army or ARNG, but the Navy and Marine Corps went to PO Boxes for addresses in the mid 80s in compliance with a Department of Defense directive on postal addressing standards and are still using them today. One thing I learned in 23 years as a Marine is that you can rely upon the Pentagon to be factually incorrect at least 50% of the time. You can go to www.usmc.mil and search under directives for mailing addresses and it will give you the order (MCO5110.5D)from 1999 and the references in adobe.


188 posted on 09/10/2004 12:18:29 PM PDT by kas2591 (Life's harder when you're stupid.)
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To: Barney59
How about the 'TEXAS' in the address line, it should have been abbreviated in the old style, I would assume... Tex? or did the two letter state abbreviations start in 70?

I'm 54 years old and the abbreviation for Texas has been Tx for as long as I can remember.

189 posted on 09/10/2004 12:18:36 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

bump


190 posted on 09/10/2004 12:19:12 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (Poetry is my forte.)
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To: aft_lizard

The forgerer must not have realized that back in that time period there were no street addresses used either and definitely not a post office box. It was only the name of the organization and Air Force Base, State, Zip Code. I found an official document thanks to a Freeper link to Pres Bush's documents from his jacket and then compared it to the forgery below:

Here is the address of the official document:

DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
HEADQUARTERS 147TH FIGHTER WING (TANG)
ELLINGTON AIR FORCE BASE, TEXAS 77030

vs the forgery

11th Fighter Intercept Squadron
P. O. Box 34567
Houston, Texas 77034

Every organization in the Air Force went by USAF, USAFR, or TANG in the case of Texas or OKANG in the case of Oklahoma. That meant your organization was regular Air Force, Reserve Air Force or members of the Guard.


191 posted on 09/10/2004 12:21:01 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: tiki

I must admit, I looked at that document online for a long time but didnt catch the sequential PO box. To repeat what I have said on other threads: amateurs did this. Actually there are thousands of amateurs who would have done a better job. At least they would have used a realistic PO Box or even a real address at an ANG base.


192 posted on 09/10/2004 12:21:21 PM PDT by rdl6989 (Of course the Air Force used typewriters with proportional spacing in 1973 for everyday typing.)
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To: Kerretarded
Entering "34567" in the USPS ZIP code lookup gives me the following result:

34567 is the PO Box number.
193 posted on 09/10/2004 12:21:22 PM PDT by lelio
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To: aft_lizard

It's almost as if someone was playing a joke they figured would never get past the intern at CBS, and they would all have a good laugh. It's such an amateur job.


194 posted on 09/10/2004 12:23:12 PM PDT by Casloy (qs)
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To: mabelkitty; VRWCTexan

Thanks! I have been pouring through all kinds of documents and everyone has the same type of address as the Bush official document.


195 posted on 09/10/2004 12:23:16 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: RetroSexual
This was a professional machine, designed to be used by highly skilled typists.

What you say is true, BUT, since LTC Killian could not type, it is highly doubtful he produced these himself - especially on one of these advanced machines. It is also highly unlikely that a TANG unit would have had equipment suited for publishing work (what were they going to publish? [except of course these memos . . .]) As to the PO Box - it seems it is legit - just it's use on official documents is "fishy".

196 posted on 09/10/2004 12:23:18 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: aft_lizard
Does the AF not use building numbers?

I'm sure they do, but incoming mail would be addressed to a PO box. I am trying to find old military documents see exactly what the address headings looked like back in the early 70s.

197 posted on 09/10/2004 12:23:47 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Charter member of the VRWC - and proud of it.)
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To: An.American.Expatriate

I agree that this angle is dead, however the angle that is over-looked is this:
As a computer engineer, I feel that I probably type as well as the average guy. Now his own wife and son said that he didn't even type.
Now how do you type a letter perfectly formatted with a single typo, no such thing as backspace/delete. No signs of white-out. Nada. Hmmmmmm?


198 posted on 09/10/2004 12:24:30 PM PDT by DadOfFive (Better put some ice on that!)
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To: struwwelpeter
PO Box 34567 is currently good in Houston, TX
but at zip code 77234-4567.

The Post Office Branch that services zip code 77034
is at 10935 Almeda Genoa Rd, Houston.
Is that anywhere near W's ANG unit?

199 posted on 09/10/2004 12:24:48 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: PhiKapMom

I posted some addresses from my own files and they are standard, just like Dubya's. Never P.O. Boxes. The format was name, office, unit, base, ZIP.


200 posted on 09/10/2004 12:25:46 PM PDT by BobS
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