New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]

CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

[TastyManatees]

New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

CBS) The military records of the two men running for president have become part of the political arsenal in this campaign – a tool for building up, or blowing up, each candidate’s credibility as America's next commander-in-chief.

While Sen. Kerry has been targeted for what he did in Vietnam, President Bush has been criticized for avoiding Vietnam by landing a spot in the Texas Air National Guard - and then failing to meet some of his obligations.

Did then-Lt. Bush fulfill all of his military obligations? And just how did he land that spot in the National Guard in the first place? Correspondent Dan Rather has new information on the president’s military service – and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled strings to get young George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard.

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But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

Lt. Bush tells his commander "he is working on a campaign in Alabama…. and may not have time to take his physical." Killian adds that he thinks Lt. Bush has gone over his head, and is "talking to someone upstairs."

Col. Killian died in 1984. 60 Minutes consulted a handwriting analyst and document expert who believes the material is authentic.

[andy58-in-nh]

I sent the story to Drudge...let's see if he runs it (after he wakes up).

[Poohbah]

The Air Farce may be different re: "Memo to File" (which I've seen in civilian life) and "Memorandum for the record."

[igoramus987]

Please read reply 198, and tell us now if you think that bizarre and complex procedure was likely to have been used to create proportional spacing on a memo in the TANG in 1972.

The last bit of 198 is the process you have to go though to "Justify" (align text on the left margin and also the right margin). However, if you just want to left align it, like in all 4 memos, you just type normally.

Although technically it is possible for Killian or his secretary to have had a IBM Electric, no other document I've seen for Bush so far has proportional fonts. I'm inclined to think it is a forgery because of this.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

It is very frightening how little they care about truth these days.

They are not in the business of distributing the truth. They are, ostensibly, in the business of selling advertising space to clients.

[Protagoras]

Why did you ping me to this thread?

[Howlin]

http://www.spacetownusa.com/hmmm.html

[Right Wing Professor]

Look at the LC 'r' in the Aug. 1 document. Particularly at the beginning of the word, it's not properly struck. This is a fancy-schmancy font, but it looks typed to me.

And let's get real here; if you were going to forge this, you would have least used a typewriter. They think the people are stupid, but they surely don't believe we're that stupid!

[GOPJ]

bump

[Tribune7]

LOL. CBS is lame.

[sissyjane]

I sent it to Drudge as well.

Is anyone listening to Rush??
Just curious if he is talking about this. I don't have access to a radio right now.

[Howlin]

See post 316 and this:

http://www.spacetownusa.com/hmmm.html

[Right Wing Professor]

BTW, I agree they're forgeries; we're just arguing about the quality of the work. :-)

[TastyManatees]

It wasn't difficult to create proportional type; the typewriter did that automatically. I'm a terrible typist, and I used one of these things.

Well, let's see if everyone else shares your assessment of the IBM Selectric Composer.

Here is a link explaining how it worked (with pictures).

O.K., so other than purchasing the most expensive typewriter on the market for the purpose of typing up notes to your personal files, all you have to do is:

1. Type a line.
2. Record the number and color of the typed line on the typewriter's ruler...separately and by hand.
3. Type the next line, repeat recording process, until done with entire document.
4. Re-type the entire document line-by-line, checking your notes to make sure that you properly set a dial to a unique number and color combination for each line.
5. Voila! You're done.

Well, that certainly doesn't seem like a giant pain in the posterior...

[B Knotts]

And let's get real here; if you were going to forge this, you would have least used a typewriter.

You would if your intention was not to get caught.

[Right Wing Professor]

Well, let's see if everyone else shares your assessment of the IBM Selectric Composer.

I was referring to the IBM Executive typewriter, not the IBM Selectric composer. Waste your own time all you want; don't waste mine.

[GOPcapitalist]

Right off the bat, the use of a superscript in the first memo for "111th" raises a red flag.

That's the key even more so than the type set as the letter imprints that strike the ribbon on any common typewriter are the same size whether you superscript or not.

MS Word, on the other hand, has an automatic default setting that superscripts and shrinks the little th's at the end of any numerical note. The forger probably typed 111th and it automatically superscripted without him even realizing it.

[Enterprise]

Gasp! Imagine that! The MSM using "forgeries" to slander a conservative candidate. And just this morning columnist Edward Wasserman of the Philadelphia Inquirer wrote:

"But it's hard enough to get the story right, without holding it hostage to an open-ended negotiation with zealots who believe they already know what the story is."

What is harder still is that the public cannot trust news organizations that knowingly use forgeries to help Democrats.

[SheLion]

How about I ping half the world to this important development.

[Brilliant]

Some of the info was already public knowledge. It would be easy for a forger to take the public info and add a few facts of his own, particularly if he had other memos by Killian to work from. If you want to prove these forgeries, you've got to get other witnesses to rebut them. I can't believe that a forger would be dumb enough to use a computer instead of a manual typewriter. It doesn't look like that's the case to me.

The other interesting part of the CBS article is the statement by Barnes that he used his influence to get Bush into the NG. On the other hand, he is now a Kerry fundraiser, so his comments are questionable, particularly since they come so late. Also, it is interesting that he doesn't say Bush approached him. He says that some oilman approached him. Coincidentally, the oilman is now dead.

Which brings me back to one of my other points: There are dozens of living Swiftboat vets who say Kerry is not fit. All those who are witnesses against Bush are now dead. For some reason, Kerry can't find a living person to slime Bush unless he's a Kerry fundraiser.

[MeekOneGOP]

Thanks.

Here is something found on www.RatherBiased.com:

More Media links:

“What’s The Frequency, Kenneth?”
http://www.ratherbiased.com/bizarre.htm#kenneth

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