Posted on 08/27/2004 9:18:36 AM PDT by blam
Ancestors Of Turks Came To Anatolia In 2000s B.C.
AFP: 8/27/2004
ERZURUM - Various archeological and cultural findings prove that Turks had come to Anatolia around 2000s B.C., Associated Prof. Semih Guneri said on Friday. Prof. Guneri and his team recently unearthed artifacts in excavations in Turkey's eastern provinces of Erzurum and Hakkari.
According to experts, steles discovered by Associated Prof. Veli Sevin in Hakkari in the past will shed light on the question of ''When did Turks first come to Anatolia?''. Experts started to discuss this matter when a statue head which was sculpted around 2000s B.C. and was unearthed in Bulamac Tumulus in Pasinler town of Erzurum under a project to reveal Turkish Culture's Archeological Resources in Central Asia (OTAK), carried the traces of Turkish culture.
Associated Prof. Semih Guneri, the chairman of the Eurasia Archeological Studies Association, said that OTAK project had been conducted together with scientists from Mongolia and Russian Federation and under the project, they focused on some motifs engraved on Hakkari steles and they compared them with motifs found in Eurasia.
''Some details on steles are compared with the motifs in compositions on obelisks and rock paintings belonged to Turks and Pro-Turks in whole Eurasia,'' he said.
''Especially the motif of 'a pot in hand' is seen on statues belonged to Gokturk era. Also the scientists from the Russian Academy of Sciences St. Petersburg Material Culture History Institute with whom we have been carrying out this project together, found it interesting that some details on the Hakkari steles are very similar to the Turkish art style. Besides, our Russian partners say that they have not seen such steles before with such details. We will soon release the results of our project which we initiated in February,'' he said.
Guneri stressed that the figure which shows warriors ''holding pots'' engraved on the Hakkari steles, belonged to 2000s B.C. was a very common figure during the Gokturk era. ''As our Russian counterparts agree that weapon models definitely point to 2000s B.C.. Holding pots was about the 'milk thrower', a Shamanistic tradition that had roots in 3000s B.C. particularly among Turks in the Altay region. Peculiarities of weapons on the Hakkari steles and the motif of 'holding pots' on same steles are the cultural elements which connect the Bronze Age to the Gokturks,'' he said.
''Besides, details on the statue head belonged to the Bronze Age, which was unearthed in the Bulamac Tumulus reflect the characteristics of the Gokturk era. This situation which actually seems like a contradiction can be undoubtedly explained by cultural continuity. Can there be such a coincidence?'' he said.
The Associated Prof. added, ''these findings prove that Turks were in Anatolia in 2000s B.C.''
(MS-ULG) 27.08.2004
Anatolian Roots Seen for Indo-Europe Language TreeIndo-European languages, which include Greek, Latin, English and Sanskrit among many others, originated thousands of years ago but their roots have been hotly debated by experts. One theory is that nomadic Kurgan horsemen from the steppes of Asia started the spread of Indo-European languages about 6,000 years ago during their conquest of Europe and the Near East. But other experts believe it started in Anatolia, now in Turkey, and expanded with the spread of agriculture... David Searls of the Bioinformatics Division of GlaxoSmithKline Pharmaceuticals said Gray and Atkinson calibrated and cross-validated branchings of the language tree against known historical events.
Reuters
Nov 26 2003 2:40PM
In Search of Hurrian UrkeshWe know that Urkesh was... a real city as well. In 1948, two bronze lions appeared on the antiquities market; the lions are inscribed with a text in which a king by the name of Tish-atal boasts of having built a temple in Urkesh. But since the provenance of these lions is not known, the location of the city until recently was also unknown... Our excavations, however, have proved that Urkesh was located at the remote north Syrian site of Tell Mozan.
by Giorgio Buccellati
and Marilyn Kelly-Buccellati
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Mr. Crosby is a wealth of information. While at his home we were told of the many obscure items being found in the area such as stone tablets, weapons of a unique nature and giants' burial sites. We also we given a primer on the Mormon religion from a scientific aspect. Mr. Crosby wasn't attempting to convert us, instead he wanted to help us understand the complex pieces of information he had encountered and how there were many portions intersecting the Mormon beliefs.
Is their any culture, at any time, that didn't take their land by force?
The only group I can think of might be far northern Eskimos etc.
Yeah and the Martians were here too long before indigenous Indians.
There is a strain out there of peoples that want to misuse history for nationalistic reasons.
Erzurum is technically part of Armenia, IIRC. Maybe its a picture of an Armenian - they look Turkish!
The only group I can think of might be far northern Eskimos etc.
Some suggestions - Armenians, Kurds, Chinese, Basques, Egyptians, Berbers, Arabs in Arabia, Dravidic Indians, Australian Aborgines, Amerinds, Bushmen, Ethiopians, Picts, etc.
Then there are the cultures whose origin in their current land is probably not native, but whose arrival is lost in the mists of antiquity with no known record of violent conquest - Scandanaivans, Russians, Germans, Greeks, Ibero-Celts, Siberian Turks, Tibetans.
Finally, there are those who occupied vacated territories relatively peacefully following wars and migrations of other people, such as the Hungarians, Bulgarians, Poles, Czechs.
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