Posted on 08/24/2004 3:01:38 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
Per Foxnews Alert. Into the red sea.
60 people aboard the first one.
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/82604-russia-terror.html
Last updated: 8/26/2004
"Russia: Terrorism Likely in Jet Crashes"
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "MOSCOW (AP) _ August 26, 2004 — A top Russian official acknowledged on Thursday what many citizens already suspected - that terrorism was the most likely cause of two jetliners crashing minutes apart, a feeling reflected in a newspaper headline warning that "Russia now has a Sept. 11.""
Just wondered. My mom's in the Byzantine Church.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/24/world/main638203.shtml
"Woman Bomber Eyed In Crash"
MOSCOW, Aug. 26, 2004
http://www.wtop.com/index.php?nid=105&sid=224135
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Emergency workers search the wreckage of Tu-154 plane at the crash site near Gluboky in the Rostov region some 1,000 kilometers (600 miles) south of Moscow, Thursday, Aug. 26, 2004. The recorders extracted from the wreckage of two planes that crashed nearly simultaneously have not revealed reliable information on the disasters' causes, a top Russian official was quoted as saying Thursday. (AP Photo/Sergei Venyavsky)
Explosives Found in Russian Jet Wreckage
Updated: Friday, Aug. 27, 2004 - 4:27 AM
MOSCOW (AP) - Traces of explosives have been found in the wreckage of one of two airliners that crashed nearly simultaneously earlier this week, the Federal Security Service said Friday, a day after a top official acknowledged that terrorism was the most likely cause of the crashes.
A duty officer at the agency, the main successor to the Soviet-era KGB, confirmed reports on Russian news agencies that cited agency spokesman Sergei Ignatchenko as saying that "preliminary analysis indicates it was hexogen.""
well, its not exactly Sept 11th. But at least some truth is starting to get out.
Yep.
I didn't think we would get this much info yet.
I wonder what the rest of the story is.
No, according to the facts eyewitness accounts are unreliable. Maybe what they think they saw happened really happened, maybe it didn't. The only way to tell is to collate the eye witness testimony with the physical evidence, eye witness testimony that conflicts with the physical evidence should be thrown out. If a debris pattern doesn't match what should be expected from an explosion in the air then eyewitnesses that say they saw an explosion are wrong.
"RUSSIAN SECURITY SERVICE FINDS EXPLOSIVES IN PLANE WRECKAGE"
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) -- Russia's security service said it found traces of explosives in the wreckage of one of two Russian planes that crashed on Tuesday night, killing 89 people.
Hexogen, known in the U.S. as cyclonite, was found in the debris of the Tu-154 jet that crashed in the southern Rostov region close to the Ukrainian border, said Nikolai Zakharov, a spokesman for the Federal Security Service, or FSB, in remarks on Russia's NTV television.
``The preliminary analysis tells us it was hexogen; we're conducting further analysis,'' Zakharov said. ``We have established a circle of people, possibly linked to a terrorist attack.'' He didn't elaborate. Hexogen has been used in attacks in Russia attributed to separatist rebels from Chechnya."
Last Updated: August 27, 2004 05:50 EDT
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=axy1EhYX6NaU&refer=home
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"EXPLOSIVES FOUND IN RUSSIAN JET WRECKAGE"
http://www.nj.com/newsflash/international/index.ssf?/base/international-8/109356748066360.xml&storylist=international
ARTICLE SNIPPET:"Hexogen is the explosive that officials said was used in the 1999 apartment bombings that killed some 300 people in Russia and were blamed on Chechen separatists."
http://english.pravda.ru/accidents/21/96/382/13929_crash.html
English.PRAVDA.ru: "TU-134 and TU-154 were exploded from their toilets
08/27/2004 20:59"
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The preliminary results of the investigation of the crash of TU-134 and TU-154 gave the grounds to say that acts of terrorism took place.
The pilots of both the planes gave SOS signals, the damages of both the planes were identical - their tails were torn in the air, and there were females whose relatives have no interest to their destiny, on both the planes...
The Gazeta obtained the details of the preliminary investigation results of the planes crash.
It was detected that shortly before the catastrophes, the pilots of both the planes pressed the alarm buttons. TU-154 which crashed in Rostov region, sent SOS signal, while Tu-134 which fell in Tula region, managed to put on the air the signal, "Attack on the plane"."
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I am worried about what might happen at the convention.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201623/posts
"Explosive Found in Wreckage of Second Russian Jet"
ABC News ^ | 8/2/04
Posted on 08/28/2004 5:55:32 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
I'm just replying to your ramblings, nothing obsessive here, just being polite.
Actually no I don't see my fingers type. You see the human eye doesn't actually see motion, what I see is a long series of still images, the optic center of my brain then processes those stills and lies to me by filling in the gaps. But in truth neither of us can actually see our fingers typing, we think we do but that's just because one part of our brain is telling fibs to another part of our brain.
Actually I know my fingers are typing because there's physical evidence that backs up the lies my brain is telling itself and the memories of my previous typing, that would be the electrons that make up the bits that make up the characters on FRs server that you are reading. See physical evidence, which backs up that fallible human memory. Of course I don't ever remember making typos, even though the most casual perusal of what I type shows I make lots of typos, but in the world you're trying to make since I don't remember typos there must not be any, it's a nice world you live in, sadly it's also highly fictitious.
What issues? You haven't brought up any issues, all you're doing is putting too much stock in eye witness testimony and blatantly and deliberately misunderstanding my posts.
Now there is physical evidence backing up SOME of the eyewitness testimony. Of course it also contradicts OTHER eyewitness testimony, because not all the eyewitnesses reported seeing an explosion. Now we know which eyewitnesses have potentially useful testimony and which ones don't.
Please see a person who can deal with your problems so you can function on more of a human level.
No offense intended.
As none was taken when you called my intelligent and reasoned replies "ramblings."
;>)
You are not alone, many people are educated beyond their intelligence.
No need of help here at all. Just explaining reality to you. Your replies weren't intelligent or reasoned, they all consisted of taking what I said about what is KNOWN about memory and driving it to a stupid level well beyond what any remotely intelligent person could ever mean by what I said or read into it, so that you could make a "point" that didn't exist. Memory cannot be trusted, period end of sentence. Eyewitness testimony is not the ultimate way to know what happened, period end of sentence. This doesn't mean that everything you remember is a lie, it just means that it COULD be and you would never know.
You obviously fear to know how vision, memory and even the human mind itself work. Too bad, your loss.
You're not alone, many flee in fear from knowledge that violates their own false sense of self importance.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3587854&thesection=news&thesubsection=world
"'Black Widows' suspected in Russian plane disasters"
30.08.2004
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