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Will Hurricane Charley Cost Bush The Election?
8/14/04 | Self

Posted on 08/14/2004 9:35:01 AM PDT by technomage

An interesting conversation was on Fox News this morning. Stuart Varney (sp) mentioned that for the two months after Hurricane Andrew hit Florida the National GDP actually dropped. Then, when recovery efforts really kicked in, the national economy benefited. Many feel this drop was one of the reasons Bush I lost the election.

The monetary costs of Charley will probably get close to, or exceed, the 27 billion dollar price tag of Andrew. This may cause the national economy to stall before the rebuilding efforts start in earnest and trickle into the economy. Might not be soon enough.


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To: Maceman

That's interesting...I'd never thought of it that way.


81 posted on 08/14/2004 11:07:47 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Crazieman; All
The "slow reaction to Andrew" was a lot of crap -- and remains one of the greatest political myths of recent decades.

President Bush reacted "slowly" to Andrew for one simple reason: He didn't have the authority to react in any other manner. A President cannot simply show up and provide billions of dollars in Federal aid in a disaster area . . . by law, he can only do so after the governor of the state in question formally requests it.

The real difference between Andrew and Charley is that the governor of Florida is Jeb Bush, not Lawton Chiles or whomever the governor of Florida was back in 1992. The Democrats are learning that this political grandstanding works both ways: in the waning months of this campaign Jeb Bush probably had a pile of unsigned "formal requests for Federal aid" on his desk at any given time, ready to send out on a moment's notice whenever the opportunity arose.

82 posted on 08/14/2004 11:08:22 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: The Wizard

My sentiments exactly!


83 posted on 08/14/2004 11:10:24 AM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 My vote goes for President Bush because he is a great leader and a good man.)
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To: technomage

We have to take Florida. If not we are toast.


84 posted on 08/14/2004 11:14:23 AM PDT by COURAGE (A charter member of the Grim FReeper Club)
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To: raptor29
The hurricane gives President Bush a wide open opportunity to show how well he can handle a crisis, again. He can go down there, toss out emergency funds freely, and assure the people they'll be taken care of. He works well in these scenarios. I really doubt the Democrats see this situation as a positive for them.

BINGO! Give this Freeper the Best Analysis of the Week Award.

85 posted on 08/14/2004 11:17:31 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: technomage
What did President Bush know about Hurricane Charley's intentions and when did he know it!

What did President Bush do in the first seven minutes after Hurricane Charley hit!

Why did President Bush allow Hurricane Charley continue on into The Carolinas even after he knew what damage he, Charley, had caused in Floridia!

Let's call this hurricane by its rightful name, Hurricane For Bush!

86 posted on 08/14/2004 11:25:48 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: KarlInOhio

Thanks...... about what the link in the following post finds......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1191542/posts?page=47#47


87 posted on 08/14/2004 11:27:11 AM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns...... Take their BEEBERS and don't let them STUNED anyone)
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To: KarlInOhio; deport

Just for thought -- a few years ago I looked at the historical vote for president, in particular, the percentage of the Voting Age Population candidate's receive.

IIRC, historically (going back to McGovern) dem presidential candidates receive between 23%-24% of the Voting Age Population. It does not vary widely and is virtually a straight line.

In contrast, the GOP percentage ranges from about 21% to 28%. That is, after Watergate and the two times Perot ran, the GOP got about 21%. Every other time (except 2000) the GOP got about 27%-28%.

So, IMHO, Perot probably cost Clinton about 1% of the VAP (5% of the dem's usual vote), while he cost Bush I and Dole about 7% of the VAP (25% of the usual GOP vote).

But naturally, the media and the dems have spun the story that Perot cost both equally.

The reason the % VAP in 2000 was so close was because the Clintons had given Gore CA on a silver platter. I believe much of the difference in vote totals between Bush II and Gore is from the large disparity in CA.

By the way, I've been looking for those % VAP figures for awhile, but have been unable to find them again. If any of y'all find those figures, please give me a ping, thanks.


88 posted on 08/14/2004 11:33:53 AM PDT by Gothmog (The 2004 election won't be about what one did in the military, but on how one would use it)
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To: jveritas
Never said he didn't win Florida in 1992 - but he was damaged by the mis-perception of the aftermath of the Hurricane and the particular image of the distraught, frazzled and overwhelmed Miami-Dade emergency official who claimed that help had not arrived roughly 4 days after the fact.
89 posted on 08/14/2004 11:44:13 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Alberta's Child

The slow reaction to Andrew was mainly the fault of FEMA. They were ill prepared for a disaster of that magnitude. Florida already had FEMA trucks and supplies ready to go at a moments notice yesterday before the hurricane even made land fall.


90 posted on 08/14/2004 11:59:55 AM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Gothmog
Well each dog has a bone and will defend it with his analysis.... lol

I can understand that in Bush I there maybe an argument for Perot costing him the election... I don't buy it though. But as far as Dole is concerned he lost period. If you give all of Perot's votes to Dole then he still doesn't win the popular vote and I don't think Perot voters come anywhere close to being nearly all republican voters.... The Republicans stayed home with Dole, imo.

Bush I lost to Clinton to a large degree on his own ineptitude, poor campaign, etc, imo.
91 posted on 08/14/2004 12:08:33 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns...... Take their BEEBERS and don't let them STUNED anyone)
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To: Batrachian

in july unemployment was 4.7% in Fl. With 6-7 thousand construction projects in every town/sounty hit by the storm that would bring that number down another .3 or .4% If people are unhappy with remodeled homes and jobs then nothing will help the President.


92 posted on 08/14/2004 12:42:43 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: jveritas

Well, I agree with everything you have said!

LLS


93 posted on 08/14/2004 1:02:50 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("Yeah, what CHENEY said"!)
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To: feedback doctor
There is a lot of insurance money that will flowing. That happened after Hugo,and it will happen now.

And that infusion of insurance $$$ into the South FL economy will boost all kind of business including construction, TV, appliances, furniture etc etc.

94 posted on 08/14/2004 1:14:45 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
There is a lot of insurance money that will flowing.

The insurance money has to come out of the bond and stock market investments where the insurance companies keep their reserves. This will increase interest rates and depress stock prices.

95 posted on 08/14/2004 1:27:09 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: InvisibleChurch
this is W's chance to drown the entire state with dollars dollars dollars ...

His own dollars?

No?

I'm shocked.

96 posted on 08/14/2004 1:31:02 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: technomage

This is stupid logic.


97 posted on 08/14/2004 1:35:08 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: sine_nomine

Kerry actually was going to come down here, before he changed his mind.


98 posted on 08/14/2004 1:40:01 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: q_an_a
"If people are unhappy with remodeled homes and jobs then nothing will help the President."

What if insurance stalls or won't pay and they have to live in a shelter until November?

Don't tell me it isn't the President's fault. I know that. Unfortunately people aren't always entirely rational, especially when they're suffering. Anyway, it's just speculation. The opposite could happen and people could be delighted with the quick response and cleanup, if that happens. There's no telling.

99 posted on 08/14/2004 2:12:43 PM PDT by Batrachian
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To: SandyInSeattle

no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the AMERICAN public


100 posted on 08/14/2004 3:57:38 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ESSE QUAM VIDERA-to be rather than to seem)
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