Hillary was on a power trip -- Keyes is on a rescue mission. BIG DIFFERENCE

Pantagraph ^ | Aug. 6, 04 | Churchillbuff

[churchillbuff]

Stop with the Hillary/Keyes comparisons already (like in the linked oped in the newspaper, the Pantagraph). Hillary was on a POWER TRIP -- she pushed local candidates (Lowy and Andrew Cuomo) to the side so she could have the prize for herself. IN CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR KEYES IS RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP FROM AN IMPERILED ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PARTY. He's on a rescue mission. True, the media in Illinois don't like his decision, they don't want him showing up with a life-preserver - - - but why should he agree with them that the local GOP should be allowed to drown? CONGRATULATIONS, AMBASSADOR KEYES. YOU'VE SHOWN A SENSE OF DUTY BY RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP.

[BillyBoy]

>> Might as well just head over to Indiana and randomly kidnap someone. <<

Indiana already has an articulate black conservative running for the U.S. Senate. ;-)
MARVIN SCOTT FOR U.S. SENATE

Since it's such a terrible standard to run carpetbaggers against established residents, does this mean Bobby Rush, Danny Davis, and Jesse Jackson will be dropping out of their congressional races and heading back to the south? After all, they're asking voters to pick them over lifelong residents of Illinois. My district pits a Georgia peach (black panther Bobby) against a Chicago Republican who's lived on the south side his whole life. And that whiny Hillary-clone candidate in the 8th District better drop out too and head back to the 10th. ;-)

[WOSG]

"I disagree STRONGLY with all the foolish, overwrought concern about "carpetbaggers". Congress IS NOT about having "homeboy" representation; it's about having GOOD representation. I think that it IS questionable whether Keyes knows enough of Illinois to adequately represent it, but that is the ONLY valid question. As others have pointed out, Keyes didn't horn his way in (v.s. the "carpetbagger" definition, "meddle in politics"): he was INVITED in. Does Mike Ditka make more sense!?" dittos.

[BillyBoy]

>> Let me ask you this: if the Pennsylvania Republican Party wanted to nominate O.J. Simpson would you have a problem with that? <<

Yes, due to the fact O.J. Simpson is a deranged murderer and unrepentant psychopath, and probably a hard-core leftist Democrat to boot...

NOT due to Mr. Simpson's residency.

[WOSG]

"You're talking about tradition, not morality. Electing a home-grown resident in the state is a tradition, not a moral principle. (And by the way, Obama isn't home-grown, either.)
There is nothing immoral about a state deciding the best man for the job is from outside. If they don't want an out-of-stater, fine. If they do, it's also fine. It's up to them. The Founders would never have imposed on the states any idea of whether this is right or wrong. They left it to the states to decide."

well said.

[churchillbuff]

I like Keyes, but if you support him it causes me to re-evaluate.""

Fine, Thanks for letting me know what an idiot you are. -- as if it weren't already clear.

[Gelato]

No it's not a contradiction in terms. Unless they're running the campaign entirely without his approval then he is indeed being a carpetbagger.

You define carpetbagger as an outsider. That's not what the term means. It's someone who invades, uninvited, for political gain. Harping on this point is ridiculous.

Running for office is still a voluntary thing, he can step down, and he should. You cannot be drafted to run for office, selective service is for military only, not for elected office.

I saw a cynical Illinois newspaper article that said something like, "The only thing worse than the Illinois GOP picking Keyes would be for Keyes to turn them down."

At this point, for him to turn them down would do more harm than good. There's simply no time.

And the term "drafting" does apply here. It's the word they use for this. Dictionary: "Draft: to select for some purpose."

[B Knotts]

So, you are saying that Illinois voters should vote for Obama?

[discostu]

And if you can't find a good conservative from Illinois to run, then obviously Illinois doesn't deserve a good conservative. As the great political pundit said: the great part about democracy is that it garauntees people the government they deserve.

[TomasUSMC]

You don't have to be from a State to protect it. Certainly Osamabama is supporting the killing of 1000 black babies everyday with his Pro Abortion stance. How does that protect the state?

In this day and age, with advanced modes of transportation and communication, Keyes will do fine representing this or any state.

And lets remember that senators are representing all the people of the state. Millions of Christians have not voted because of all the RINOs in the republican party being put up as candidates. This man, Allan Keyes will bring back these Christians who now have a chance to vote for someone who is not shy about defending INNOCENT LIFE.

Keyes will smash Osama in the first week and then - Look out Moore and Kerry and the rest of the dem scum.

Can you say ATTACK DOG

[discostu]

I support representative government being representative of the people. Somebody who isn't from Illinois, has never lived in Illinois, and if they don't win probably never will be from Illinois, can't possibly represent the people of Illinois. If the Illinois GOP can't find a homegrown person to run then shame on them.

[Gelato]

And if you can't find a good conservative from Illinois to run, then obviously Illinois doesn't deserve a good conservative

Then support Obama, if that's how you feel.

[WOSG]

I certainly 'feel your pain' up there in Illinois, I'm a UIUC grad, had to watch Lynn Martin crash and burn in 1990 vs paul simon. she was no great alternative, being somewhat RINO on abortion etc. It's tragic that liberals would get a free pass in that once great state.

Keyes is the Illinois GOP's 3rd try. They could have and should have done better in getting a viable Ryan replacement sooner, and getting one that was a solid alternative. I siad before they should have tried one of the primary runner ups.

But there is no fundamental 'moral principle' at play here, outsiders can be legitimate picks if the work in a legitimate way to represent the voters. there is simply the question of whether Alan Keyes can represent the people of Illinois well, and better than the Chicago Liberal Barack Obama.

Surely the better choice is Alan Keyes.

[Gelato]

If the Illinois GOP can't find a homegrown person to run then shame on them.

Then Obama should step down, if the race is only for the homegrown. He's from Hawaii, lived in Indonesia, and went to school in New York before settling down in Illinois to spend time campaigning for Clinton.

[discostu]

It's not a bad thing to run carpetbaggers against residents, it's a bad thing to run carpetbaggers period. As for the others you mention, if they didn't live in their district for at least a year before they ran then their carpetbagging scumbags too. My position isn't party dependant, I just believe in the word "representative" when discussing our representative government.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

I support representative government being representative of the people. Somebody who isn't from Illinois, has never lived in Illinois, and if they don't win probably never will be from Illinois, can't possibly represent the people of Illinois. If the Illinois GOP can't find a homegrown person to run then shame on them.

Perfectly said.

[discostu]

I don't support Obama, I'm saying carpetbaggers shouldn't run, and if an area can't find a "good" candidate within their own then that's their fault. Should we start importing presidential candidates if we can't find a good conservative for the GOP ticket? Russia seems to have a few to spare, they've got a flat tax and everything, what the heck, let's "draft" one of them in 2008!

[discostu]

The better choice is to respect the founding concepts of our government. A Senator is supposed to represent the state, how can somebody who's never lived there represent it. It's really sad that Illinois can't scare up a good conservative without skeletons in his closet, but sadness isn't a good reason to toss aside the basic principles on which we have built a great nation.

[WOSG]

See below for some tax-hiking socialized-medicine anti-jobs and anti-school-choice bills that Obama-rama supported.

So he's more fit to represent you because he's been a Socialist in Springfield rather than a Conservative in America as a whole?

Isnt it clear that Keyes the Conservative is a better choice than Obama the Liberal?


"Obama voted for a bill during the 2003 Illinois General Assembly legislative session that raised a huge number of fees and taxes for businesses and licenses to cover day-to-day expenses of state government.

One increase alone drove nearly 17,000 trucking jobs out of the state, according to Mid-West Truckers Association estimates. Obama has remained unapologetic about that vote, which could lead a voter to suspect that Obama thinks money for government is more important than private-sector jobs.

Will you consider abandoning your teachers-union allies to permit parents in failing public schools to experiment with a school-choice program?

In 1997 and again in 1999, he voted as a state senator against an education tax credit for working families struggling to give their kids a parochial school education because public schools are so bad. These votes hurt kids but helped unions. Will a U.S. Sen. Obama continue to stick with the teachers union over schoolchildren every time?

Do you agree with Sen. John Kerry that the delivery of health care primarily through private industry is "shameful" and that the only system you will support is a government-mandated one, no matter how expensive?

During the 2003 legislative session in Springfield, Obama proposed a state plan similar to the one offered by former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and rejected by Congress in 1993. If the Illinois plan had been enacted it would have created an enforceable legal claim by anyone in the state to full, free medical care. Legislative budget analysts from Obama's own party calculated that the plan would cost between $2.6 billion and $4 billion. The cost would have nearly doubled the state's budget deficit at that time."
http://www.obamatruthsquad.com/docs/articles/fourquestions.html

[Gelato]

You said conservatives deserve to lose in Illinois, if they can't find a homegrown candidate.

What does that kind of statement do? It not only helps Obama, it practically cheers him on.

It's time to set aside the residency purity test you have in your mind, and support the choice of the IL GOP--or just come out for Obama.

Gotta go. Bye.

[discostu]

Ah but he's actually lived there, that puts him a step up on Keyes. All I ask for is a year, 10 would be better, but a year is enough to get in state tuition from college so it'll do for running for Senate. You can't tell me there isn't anyone over the age of 35 in Illinois that's lived there at least 365 days that has good conservative credentials and no wierd scandals. The place hasn't that gone that far to the dogs.