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Hillary was on a power trip -- Keyes is on a rescue mission. BIG DIFFERENCE
Pantagraph ^ | Aug. 6, 04 | Churchillbuff

Posted on 08/06/2004 8:03:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Stop with the Hillary/Keyes comparisons already (like in the linked oped in the newspaper, the Pantagraph). Hillary was on a POWER TRIP -- she pushed local candidates (Lowy and Andrew Cuomo) to the side so she could have the prize for herself. IN CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR KEYES IS RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP FROM AN IMPERILED ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PARTY. He's on a rescue mission. True, the media in Illinois don't like his decision, they don't want him showing up with a life-preserver - - - but why should he agree with them that the local GOP should be allowed to drown? CONGRATULATIONS, AMBASSADOR KEYES. YOU'VE SHOWN A SENSE OF DUTY BY RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alan; alankeyes; bigdifference; carpetbagging; godfearing; hefearsthelord; heisgood; heisprogun; heisprolife; heissmart; hillary; hitlery; ifearkeyes; illinois; keyes; nodiffernce; polorizing; saveamerica; stophillary
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To: Howlin
But they can't force us to ignore what he's done.

What real difference does it make whether a candidate lives in a particular state or not?

If there is one, should this be the paramount factor in choosing a senate candidate?

I can see that Alan won't have as much knowledge of the state as a long-time resident. But his other personal attributes far outweigh any knowledge that he lacks regarding the state of Illinois. Besides, he can get up to speed regarding the particularities of the state pretty quickly.

Finally, since he will meet the legal qualifications for residency, why not let the people decide?

101 posted on 08/06/2004 12:28:08 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Gelato

How? Right here on FR. Why? Simple, nobody should ever elect carpetbaggers regardless of the person's resume before then. I'm from Chicago, I still have family in the burbs, I'm not entirely an outsider. But it is pretty funny that here you are complaining that outsiders shouldn't tell Illinois that they shouldn't elect outsiders. Disco Stu, as an outsider, has no right to tell Illinois that Allan Keyes, also an outsider, shouldn't be their Senator... now that's crazy logic.

You can't be drafted to run for the Senate, you can be swayed but he's still free to say that he has too much integrity to be a carpetbagging scumbag ala Hillary and Bobby.


102 posted on 08/06/2004 12:28:58 PM PDT by discostu (Gravity is a harsh mistress)
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To: churchillbuff

I like Keyes, but if you support him it causes me to re-evaluate.


103 posted on 08/06/2004 12:29:15 PM PDT by StumpyPete
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To: LS

Where is this 'principle' written? Define "COME FROM".
You have to be born in that state? Keyes comes from the American people. He's been in Illinois. Keyes represents the heart and soul of many Illinois voters.

By your principle, you'd have to be born in the state you are running in. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, not Illinois. OBAMA VIOLATES YOUR 'PRINCIPLE'. So, get serious.

"Are you that far removed from the founding principles?"

Cite a quote from the Federalist on this. Otherwise you are blowing smoke. it would be very strange indeed for Hamilton to make a big deal of residency requirements!

"is exactly what the elites in NY and LA want"

oh so now Keyes is a candidate of the NY/LA elites ... ROLFMAO!!

Making a big deal out of this is: Narrowminded and picayune.



104 posted on 08/06/2004 12:29:30 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: LS
Let me ask you this: if the Pennsylvania Republican Party wanted to nominate O.J. Simpson would you have a problem with that?

Why, because he's an OUTSIDER, or because he's a MURDERER?

There's nothing inherently immoral about picking an outsider. Trust the state to choose their representatives.

And the Founders would tell them what they are doing is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Actually, no. The Founders believed in states' rights.

If they saw a moral issue here, they would have written a stricter residency requirement in the Constitution.

105 posted on 08/06/2004 12:30:04 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: LS

"Let me ask you this: if the Pennsylvania Republican Party wanted to nominate O.J. Simpson would you have a problem with that? "

we ought not be in the habit of nominating men who kill women... we leave that to the Democrats (Teddy K and Mary Jo etc.)


"It is so pathetic, it can't find one Republican in one of the most populous states in the Union to run as a senatorial candidate. "

Take it up with the Ill. GOP, but quit pretending there is some 'Founders principle" in this. AFAIK, neither Stephen Douglas nor Abe Lincoln were born in Illinois, etc.


106 posted on 08/06/2004 12:32:17 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: churchillbuff

Yes, Obama is pro-abort. What Liberal Democrat isnt?


107 posted on 08/06/2004 12:33:04 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: WOSG
Why waste energy that will just make Obama more likely to win?

Some people just plain hate Alan Keyes. You'll have to ask them why.

108 posted on 08/06/2004 12:33:16 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: WOSG

Since you bring up Lincoln, it was he who said that just because a majority of the people of a state subscribe to a principle or law does not make it right, referring, of course, to Douglas. Just because the Ill. GOP wants to do something neither makes it right nor wise. And you still can't give me a reason this is the RIGHT thing to do, only the CONVENIENT thing to do.


109 posted on 08/06/2004 12:34:42 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: discostu

The Illinois Republican party made their best pick.

Keyes, who can go toe-to-toe against Obama on the issues is a good call.


110 posted on 08/06/2004 12:35:26 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: discostu

The Illinois Republican party made their best pick.

Keyes, who can go toe-to-toe against Obama on the issues is a good call.


111 posted on 08/06/2004 12:35:31 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: discostu
nobody should ever elect carpetbaggers

Again, a contradiction in terms. A carpetbagger invites himself. Illinois has chosen Keyes.

You can't be drafted to run for the Senate

Then what was the "Draft Ditka" movement of a few weeks ago?

Maybe you don't understand how it works. When the nominee of the party steps down and leaves a vacancy, the party must pick a replacement. If they choose someone who has not entered the race, that's called drafting. That's what happened here.

112 posted on 08/06/2004 12:35:56 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Gelato
OK, here's my last post on this, because this is so cockamamie that it's beyond debate:

Both you and WOSG want a "constitutional requirement" on residency, and I'm here to tell you (and you really know this, don't you?) that it was such COMMON KNOWLEDGE that the representatives would not come from another state that they didn't even bother putting this stuff in there. It's like the notion (pre-1913) that any money would ever be issued without gold backing. It was just nuts.

But go ahead. Let's get Keyes nominated, then he'll get whipped badly, and the next time it's going to be some elite Hollywood type who has name recognition and lots of money blowing into Nebraska or Wyoming and you guys will be crying in your beer. Have at it.

113 posted on 08/06/2004 12:38:40 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: WOSG

No, Keyes isn't their best pick, because Keyes has never lived there and he isn't a legitimate pick. It's a stupid call because it's inviting in a carpetbagger. If Keyes goes through with this he'll drop from one of my all time favorite conservatives to a complete loser scumbag. He has no right to run for Senate in Illinois.


114 posted on 08/06/2004 12:38:43 PM PDT by discostu (Gravity is a harsh mistress)
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To: LS
You're talking about tradition, not morality. Electing a home-grown resident in the state is a tradition, not a moral principle. (And by the way, Obama isn't home-grown, either.)

There is nothing immoral about a state deciding the best man for the job is from outside. If they don't want an out-of-stater, fine. If they do, it's also fine. It's up to them. The Founders would never have imposed on the states any idea of whether this is right or wrong. They left it to the states to decide.

115 posted on 08/06/2004 12:46:47 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: LS
I disagree STRONGLY with all the foolish, overwrought concern about "carpetbaggers". Congress IS NOT about having "homeboy" representation; it's about having GOOD representation. I think that it IS questionable whether Keyes knows enough of Illinois to adequately represent it, but that is the ONLY valid question. As others have pointed out, Keyes didn't horn his way in (v.s. the "carpetbagger" definition, "meddle in politics"): he was INVITED in. Does Mike Ditka make more sense!?

All Keyes has to say about his prior remarks about Carpetbagger Clinton is that he is still against the notion, but that's the way the law stands, that's the way the oppositions plays it, he'll represent the people of Illinois faithfully, and he'll withdraw as soon as Hitlery does.

116 posted on 08/06/2004 12:46:51 PM PDT by Nevermore
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To: Gelato

No it's not a contradiction in terms. Unless they're running the campaign entirely without his approval then he is indeed being a carpetbagger. He doesn't live there, he shouldn't run there, and they shouldn't vote for him there.

At least Ditka once lived there. Though it was still a dumb move since he didn't live there anymore.

Running for office is still a voluntary thing, he can step down, and he should. You cannot be drafted to run for office, selective service is for military only, not for elected office.


117 posted on 08/06/2004 12:48:43 PM PDT by discostu (Gravity is a harsh mistress)
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To: discostu
Keyes isn't their best pick,

Again, IDEALLY, a person in state is usually best. But this is a desperate situation. The IL GOP did what they felt the circumstances required. Now, they've made their pick, and we'll just have to accept it. It would be best to back them up on this, and not make a win any harder by harping on this irrelevant issue.

118 posted on 08/06/2004 12:51:38 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: LS

LS, you havent given a single solid reason why Keyes or even generally going outside your state when the party is in a tight spot is a bad or wrong thing, you claim some 'principle' that is really a fancy way of saying you dont think outsiders can be representative of the people. well, guess what, the voters are the real judges of that!

SO quit beating around the Bush ... who would you vote for ...

Obama - born in Hawaii, pro-abort, likes Castro :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1179388/posts
"Obama is a rabid supporter of affirmative action and other racially biased policies, ... also an ardent supporter of abortion, and a lecturer on constitutional law at the University of Chicago. But has he ever read the Constitution? The Supreme Court's decisions deeming abortion a "fundamental right" and in favor of affirmative action were, constitutionally speaking, some of the worst in the history of the Court.


likes Soros' support, raised bif $$$ from out of state -
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/28/164147.shtml

Obama is anti-death penalty, believes in socialized health care,and is weak on jobs and WEAK ON THE WAR ON TERROR:
http://www.obamatruthsquad.com/


Or ...

Keyes - pro-life, conservative, small govt, wants to abolish IRS, believes in GWOT.

So who do you support?


119 posted on 08/06/2004 12:53:29 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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To: discostu

So, you support the '24-karat Liberal" Obama instead?

http://www.obamatruthsquad.com/


120 posted on 08/06/2004 12:54:31 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
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