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Did Sandy Berger “Fry” Flight 800 Records?
Mens News Daily ^ | July 22, 2004 | Tom Kovach

Posted on 07/22/2004 4:17:31 AM PDT by johnny7

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To: OldFriend

Bingo! I believe you are right. It's the only thing that makes any sense in all this.


41 posted on 07/22/2004 6:00:05 AM PDT by Lakeside
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To: LS
Regardless of who eventually gets whatever blame may result, I want to know the truth about TWA Flight 800. I don't believe the official story.

Out of all the 747s flying all these years, one suddenly blows up from an endemic wiring problem? What are the odds of that??? From what I've heard, the wiring design Boeing used is not unique to the 747, so how is it that only this one airplane has had the fuel tank exploding problem??? The official story is a nice story, but how about the truth this time?

42 posted on 07/22/2004 6:00:13 AM PDT by GBA
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To: johnny7
Berger and Ketchup


This needs to be repeated often and loudly, as the intergrity of either is the same...


and the link not forgotten
43 posted on 07/22/2004 6:04:09 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: johnny7

House investigation??? Since when is the top secret records contained in the National Archives a House issue? This should be prosecuted by the appropriate authorities and if Berger is found guilty, he should get the appropriate sentence.


44 posted on 07/22/2004 6:04:13 AM PDT by GBA
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To: freeplancer

There was one "story" floating around that an off shore Navy ship was doing some "practice" rounds with missles and one missle was inadvertently fired by mistake resulting in the 800 flight tragedy....never heard anything after that. Strange how these stories seem to surface and then dip back down into the strange deep blue sea as the others....


45 posted on 07/22/2004 6:04:37 AM PDT by smiley
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To: johnny7

bump


46 posted on 07/22/2004 6:06:01 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: GBA
Let's be honest. Mechanical things---especially sophisticated mechanical things with fuel and electricity---break all the time for no apparent reason. Just read, sometime, about all the incredible things (truly unbelievable) that go wrong in combat. No, this wasn't combat, but every once in a while things just break and people can't accept that Sh*t happens, so they look for "answers."

I don't close the door on any real evidence---bonmb, missile, whatever. But neither do I (as many Freepers do) believe it "HAD TO BE" a bomb or a missle. Sh*t happens, andsometimes a lot of people die when it does.

When you get into virtually any of the "conspiracy theories" about anything---JFK, OK City---it comes down to the fact that people don't want to accept that one or two individuals are capable of truly heinous acts without "outside support." Again, for the third time, if there is solid evidence, I have no problem with that. But to constantly accuse the FBI of "covering up" gets old, especially when two different administrations (one of which would have EVERYTHING to gain by revealing the "cover up") continue to stand by the report.

47 posted on 07/22/2004 6:11:55 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree with you vis-a-vis (pardon my french) the methods of securing digital data, and the fact it should have been done. I find it unconscionable if this putz-berger managed to delete from the national record even one scintilla of info. But, and it's almost as big as Hillary's, the klintoon admin was known for its obsessive need for approval, which in turn necessitated the need to make some things erasable (when you're going to write down something that may haunt you, do it in pencil - right?).

So, aside from a bad string of puns, I think this may be the end of a very, very long thread of conscious, deliberate decisions made in the klintoon admin that compromise national security. The neglectful method of storage of these drafts may have been the proverbial "pencil" that made the info erasable.

Now, where's my tin foil hat?


48 posted on 07/22/2004 6:12:31 AM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: OldFriend
It was a terrorist attack, but WHO was the terrorist at the time.

IMHO and knowing what I know about Aircraft, that plane was shot down. It's by who, just because we say terrorist, do we assume they are mid eastern men between 20 and 45 yrs?

49 posted on 07/22/2004 6:15:20 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: johnny7
The first thing I thought of when I heard the Sandy Bergler news was TWA 800.

GMTA

50 posted on 07/22/2004 6:20:31 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: First_Salute
Yes -- WARDROBE MALFUNCTION contained here.
52 posted on 07/22/2004 6:22:46 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: GBA
I am an Aircraft Mechanic, I spent 2 years on C-5A and C-5B Aircraft. 4 years on f-15,f-16, a-10, F-4s, f-5, t-38s, c-141, c-130, then 4 1/2 years with American Airlines as a mech on MD-80, 727 and DC-9s. My job included the Fuel Scrubbing system, which is a nitrogen system that purges oxygen from the fuel tanks on C-5s. 747's do not carry this type of fire supression, but I have been in many fuel cells. There are no wire bundles inside a fuel cell, outside there are hundreds of wires.

When a fuel cell is emptied it is purged, all remaining air is vacuumed out with the fuel vapors. The vapors if there were any remaining could not produce a flash strong enough to blow the tank, the tank is in a low pressure state, it technically would implode. (not enough low pressure to do it though) Have you ever opened your gas tank and heard the sucking sound? same effect...

Flight 800 was hit by a missle from the port side near the mid section, after impact which split the AC in half the fuse ignited the charge, a few milisecs after penetrating.

53 posted on 07/22/2004 6:25:26 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: TBall

for those of us who needed to know who he was again:
http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/M/Mohammed-Samir-Ferrat.htm


54 posted on 07/22/2004 6:26:27 AM PDT by bitt
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To: LS
Mechanical things break, no quesion about it. However, if there is a design flaw such to require that a fleet of aircraft be grounded to affect repairs, one might expect more than one occurance.

I've worked on electronic systems for years and when there is a defect, you don't just get the one example. You get a trend, a bunch of failures. Same for mechanical systems. My Honda Odyssey is being recalled for a transmission defect. Honda did this only after there were many, many examples of this problem. You see the same thing in aviation with engines, wing spars, you name it. There's a trend, then the fleet is required to be inspected and repaired.

With the 747, grounding the fleet for a suposed wiring "defect" looked a lot more political than practical.

Add to that many eye witness accounts of what looked and sounded like a missile launch followed by a subsequent explosion of Flt. 800. Then, consider the habitual actions of the Clinton administration and the "it just blew up" official story about TWA Flight 800 sounds like BS. Could have happended that way, but I don't think so. This duck barks like a dog.

55 posted on 07/22/2004 6:27:43 AM PDT by GBA
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To: tubebender
And that committee came up with very stringent measures for airport security and the Airlines screamed bloody murder until Gore backed down and let them off only to have 9/11 happen.

I wouldn't characterize Gore's behavior as backing down - selling out is more like it. He received $500,000 in campaign contributions from the airline industry while agreeing not to enforce the stringent security changes.

BTW, John Kerry is the only US Senator to refer to TWA800 as a terrorist act on TWO separate occasions.

56 posted on 07/22/2004 6:28:28 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: GBA

To add to your comment, the fleet of 747's were not grounded, just additional checks were implemented on the 300, 600, 900 hour checks. The over haul after 1200 hours did not include the bundle checks or removeal of bundles.
Fuel gauges and fire sensor lines are sensitive coax cables and you can't bend them.


57 posted on 07/22/2004 6:32:19 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
I watched a news reporter state, the day after the downing of Flight #800 that there had been a significant amount of middle east 'chatter' surrounding the incident.

I remember Kallstrom stating that it was his opinion that it was a bomb that brought down Flight #800.

I also remember a day when Hall the transportation administrator at the time, accidently 'fell' overboard one of the seach ships folling the crash into the sea.

I also remember the ridiculous dog training story that was floated.

58 posted on 07/22/2004 6:34:39 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: Lakeside
I don't see this related to TWA #800, the Olympic Park bombing or the Oklahoma City bombing.

All that can easily be refuted or denied by the clintonoids.

I believe they were all middle east terror acts but there's not enough proof for Berger to risk his freedom to cover it up.

59 posted on 07/22/2004 6:37:22 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: freeplancer

Yes, indeed, Jim Kalstrom was Clinton's cover-up man. JK even convinced Rush.....then he RETIRED!!!! COWARD.


60 posted on 07/22/2004 6:37:34 AM PDT by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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