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Did Sandy Berger “Fry” Flight 800 Records?
Mens News Daily ^ | July 22, 2004 | Tom Kovach

Posted on 07/22/2004 4:17:31 AM PDT by johnny7

During the 1980s, renowned radio commentator Paul Harvey said something that I’ve quoted often to my friends. Opining about various wars and upheavals — in the Middle East, Central and South America, Northern Ireland, and Cambodia — Harvey said, “Sometimes you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”

During this election year — while the country is at war with shadowy terrorist networks, both here and abroad — Paul Harvey’s advice seems especially appropriate. Americans have already come up with various combinations of “Berger & Ketchup” to describe the relationship between former Clinton Administration national-security advisor Sandy Berger and presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (who is married to ketchup-fortune heiress Teresa Heinz-Kerry). Adding to that, I will say that Berger’s recently-abdicated title as an “informal advisor” to the Kerry campaign is starting to look a lot like the “unofficial spokesman” on the Wendy’s Hamburgers TV commercials. (Oddly, the Wendy’s theme has shown up in another of my articles about the Flight 800 mystery.)

The recent revelation by Sandy Berger that he removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives, and then “lost” them, has numerous implications during this election season. Berger was the national-security advisor to Bill Clinton, who is the most scandal-laden president in US history. Flight 800 was destroyed in mid-air during the 1996 re-election campaign of Bill Clinton. Another high-level Clinton insider — former White House chief of staff, turned ABC-TV news analyst, George Stephanopoulos — referred to the bombing of Flight 800 on the air. With that remark — and his associated description of being inside the “other situation room” in the White House at the time of the Flight 800 disaster — a direct link was made between Clinton and Flight 800. This link was, of course, overlooked by the “mainstream” news media.

So, what does this link between Bill Clinton and Flight 800 have to do with the current John Kerry presidential campaign? Well, perhaps nothing, except thatJohn Kerry also referred to Flight 800 as a terrorist incident in a televised interview. The problem is that, with the upcoming release of the final report of the “9-11” Commission, the general public will have the opportunity to refresh their memory about the link between Flight 800 and terrorism. Having spent years on the Senate Intelligence Committee, it is now impossible for Kerry to deny that he had access to information about any link between Flight 800 and terrorist acts. Therefore, if such a link is proven, then a line can be drawn between the downing of Flight 800 in 1996 and the “9-11” attacks in 2001. Again, because of his committee experience and his televised interview, Kerry cannot now distance himself from his comments about “9-11”. Follow along: if a link is made in the public’s mind between terrorism, Flight 800, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and “9-11”, then what is the logical result? Surely, donations to the Democratic Party and to the Kerry campaign would dry up rapidly. Therefore, it is imperative to the Kerry campaign to destroy evidence of such a link. Enter: Sandy Berger. He is a person that had intimate knowledge of high-level decisions about terrorism, and access to the records of those decisions. Now, it is public knowledge that Berger has “lost” some of those documents. Were the “lost” documents related to Flight 800? The only person that knows hasn’t talked.

What is known is that there are numerous pieces of evidence that point to the involvement of a missile in the TWA Flight 800 disaster. What is known is that President Clinton issued an executive order that was targeted to silence the Navy SEALs that were on scene at the Flight 800 debris field in the Atlantic Ocean. What is known is that the FBI was very embarrassed when news of Bureau interest in missile technology became public. (Read the portion about the Teledyne fax to Dee Muma.) What is known is that the Navy SEALs are following the Flight 800 story. What is known is that there were other terrorist plots on US soil between 1996 and 2001. What is known is that the Clinton Administration ignored warnings about Operation Bojinka, and thus paved the way for the “9-11” attacks. What is known is that Clinton wanted to cover his tracks about the probable Bojinka—“9-11” link. What is known is that Berger is a close ally of both Clinton and Kerry. What is known is that Berger removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives. What is known is that those documents were related to information examined by the 9-11 Commission about the extent of terrorist operations in America prior to 11 September 2001. (operations that apparently continue today) What is known is that Bill Clinton and his ilk will do anything to gain and retain political power. And, just recently, it became known that Operation Iraqi Freedom had more justification than Kerry has admitted.

As this article is being written, a Federal appeals court is in session in Massachusetts. The topic is the secrecy over autopsy reports of the Flight 800 crash victims. As I reported last week, independent researcher and electrical engineer Graeme Sephton — vice-president of FIRO, and founding president of FOIAC — is winning so far in his lawsuit against the FBI. The suit is trying to force the Bureau to release autopsy reports, which allegedly contain proof of missile shrapnel in the bodies of Flight 800 victims. If the lawsuit is successful, then the official Clinton Administration story about Flight 800 will be blown to bits. The political explosion, however, will not only affect the elusive “Clinton legacy”. The fireball would also burn up the chances of John Kerry to become elected as President of the United States. And, with that would come the destruction of any potential pardons of criminal charges for culpability in a Flight 800 cover-up. And, the shrapnel from this explosion would also shred the hopes of other Democratic Party candidates, especially in Massachusetts. The timing of Berger’s revelation that he “lost” valuable documents — coming in between last week’s article about the lawsuit, and today’s court hearing — seems quite suspicious. And, the fact that the hearing is being held in Kerry’s home state certainly adds fuel to the speculation — especially considering that a Fox-TV news item mentioned the lawsuit on the Flight 800 anniversary last Saturday. It appears to me that Berger’s revelations about illegal activity are designed to take heat off Kerry, in the same way that Janet Reno’s raid on the compound outside Waco seemed timed to take media attention away from the indictment of Hillary Clinton.

Because of my own experience in the Air Force, I know that it might never be possible to determine which documents disappeared at the hands of Sandy Berger. When documents reach a certain level of classification, even the table of contents listing the documents is classified. Therefore, only people with that level of clearance, and a specific “need to know”, may be granted access to even the table of contents. Most members of the public do not realize that there are actually several layers of classification above Top Secret. If the Clinton White House did, in fact, engage in a cover-up of the shoot-down of Flight 800, then the most likely “classification authority” would have been Sandy Berger. He would have been under great incentive to hide the proof under the highest classification possible. Thus, even proof that such documents ever existed would be difficult to access.

Were the missing documents shredded, and/or burned? If so, then did Berger “fry” any records of the truth about the downing of Flight 800? (I had to make a joke about it, because, “Sometimes, you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”)


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: sandyberger; twa800
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To: OldFriend

Bingo! I believe you are right. It's the only thing that makes any sense in all this.


41 posted on 07/22/2004 6:00:05 AM PDT by Lakeside
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To: LS
Regardless of who eventually gets whatever blame may result, I want to know the truth about TWA Flight 800. I don't believe the official story.

Out of all the 747s flying all these years, one suddenly blows up from an endemic wiring problem? What are the odds of that??? From what I've heard, the wiring design Boeing used is not unique to the 747, so how is it that only this one airplane has had the fuel tank exploding problem??? The official story is a nice story, but how about the truth this time?

42 posted on 07/22/2004 6:00:13 AM PDT by GBA
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To: johnny7
Berger and Ketchup


This needs to be repeated often and loudly, as the intergrity of either is the same...


and the link not forgotten
43 posted on 07/22/2004 6:04:09 AM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: johnny7

House investigation??? Since when is the top secret records contained in the National Archives a House issue? This should be prosecuted by the appropriate authorities and if Berger is found guilty, he should get the appropriate sentence.


44 posted on 07/22/2004 6:04:13 AM PDT by GBA
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To: freeplancer

There was one "story" floating around that an off shore Navy ship was doing some "practice" rounds with missles and one missle was inadvertently fired by mistake resulting in the 800 flight tragedy....never heard anything after that. Strange how these stories seem to surface and then dip back down into the strange deep blue sea as the others....


45 posted on 07/22/2004 6:04:37 AM PDT by smiley
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To: johnny7

bump


46 posted on 07/22/2004 6:06:01 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: GBA
Let's be honest. Mechanical things---especially sophisticated mechanical things with fuel and electricity---break all the time for no apparent reason. Just read, sometime, about all the incredible things (truly unbelievable) that go wrong in combat. No, this wasn't combat, but every once in a while things just break and people can't accept that Sh*t happens, so they look for "answers."

I don't close the door on any real evidence---bonmb, missile, whatever. But neither do I (as many Freepers do) believe it "HAD TO BE" a bomb or a missle. Sh*t happens, andsometimes a lot of people die when it does.

When you get into virtually any of the "conspiracy theories" about anything---JFK, OK City---it comes down to the fact that people don't want to accept that one or two individuals are capable of truly heinous acts without "outside support." Again, for the third time, if there is solid evidence, I have no problem with that. But to constantly accuse the FBI of "covering up" gets old, especially when two different administrations (one of which would have EVERYTHING to gain by revealing the "cover up") continue to stand by the report.

47 posted on 07/22/2004 6:11:55 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree with you vis-a-vis (pardon my french) the methods of securing digital data, and the fact it should have been done. I find it unconscionable if this putz-berger managed to delete from the national record even one scintilla of info. But, and it's almost as big as Hillary's, the klintoon admin was known for its obsessive need for approval, which in turn necessitated the need to make some things erasable (when you're going to write down something that may haunt you, do it in pencil - right?).

So, aside from a bad string of puns, I think this may be the end of a very, very long thread of conscious, deliberate decisions made in the klintoon admin that compromise national security. The neglectful method of storage of these drafts may have been the proverbial "pencil" that made the info erasable.

Now, where's my tin foil hat?


48 posted on 07/22/2004 6:12:31 AM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: OldFriend
It was a terrorist attack, but WHO was the terrorist at the time.

IMHO and knowing what I know about Aircraft, that plane was shot down. It's by who, just because we say terrorist, do we assume they are mid eastern men between 20 and 45 yrs?

49 posted on 07/22/2004 6:15:20 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: johnny7
The first thing I thought of when I heard the Sandy Bergler news was TWA 800.

GMTA

50 posted on 07/22/2004 6:20:31 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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To: First_Salute
Yes -- WARDROBE MALFUNCTION contained here.
52 posted on 07/22/2004 6:22:46 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: GBA
I am an Aircraft Mechanic, I spent 2 years on C-5A and C-5B Aircraft. 4 years on f-15,f-16, a-10, F-4s, f-5, t-38s, c-141, c-130, then 4 1/2 years with American Airlines as a mech on MD-80, 727 and DC-9s. My job included the Fuel Scrubbing system, which is a nitrogen system that purges oxygen from the fuel tanks on C-5s. 747's do not carry this type of fire supression, but I have been in many fuel cells. There are no wire bundles inside a fuel cell, outside there are hundreds of wires.

When a fuel cell is emptied it is purged, all remaining air is vacuumed out with the fuel vapors. The vapors if there were any remaining could not produce a flash strong enough to blow the tank, the tank is in a low pressure state, it technically would implode. (not enough low pressure to do it though) Have you ever opened your gas tank and heard the sucking sound? same effect...

Flight 800 was hit by a missle from the port side near the mid section, after impact which split the AC in half the fuse ignited the charge, a few milisecs after penetrating.

53 posted on 07/22/2004 6:25:26 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: TBall

for those of us who needed to know who he was again:
http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/M/Mohammed-Samir-Ferrat.htm


54 posted on 07/22/2004 6:26:27 AM PDT by bitt
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To: LS
Mechanical things break, no quesion about it. However, if there is a design flaw such to require that a fleet of aircraft be grounded to affect repairs, one might expect more than one occurance.

I've worked on electronic systems for years and when there is a defect, you don't just get the one example. You get a trend, a bunch of failures. Same for mechanical systems. My Honda Odyssey is being recalled for a transmission defect. Honda did this only after there were many, many examples of this problem. You see the same thing in aviation with engines, wing spars, you name it. There's a trend, then the fleet is required to be inspected and repaired.

With the 747, grounding the fleet for a suposed wiring "defect" looked a lot more political than practical.

Add to that many eye witness accounts of what looked and sounded like a missile launch followed by a subsequent explosion of Flt. 800. Then, consider the habitual actions of the Clinton administration and the "it just blew up" official story about TWA Flight 800 sounds like BS. Could have happended that way, but I don't think so. This duck barks like a dog.

55 posted on 07/22/2004 6:27:43 AM PDT by GBA
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To: tubebender
And that committee came up with very stringent measures for airport security and the Airlines screamed bloody murder until Gore backed down and let them off only to have 9/11 happen.

I wouldn't characterize Gore's behavior as backing down - selling out is more like it. He received $500,000 in campaign contributions from the airline industry while agreeing not to enforce the stringent security changes.

BTW, John Kerry is the only US Senator to refer to TWA800 as a terrorist act on TWO separate occasions.

56 posted on 07/22/2004 6:28:28 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: GBA

To add to your comment, the fleet of 747's were not grounded, just additional checks were implemented on the 300, 600, 900 hour checks. The over haul after 1200 hours did not include the bundle checks or removeal of bundles.
Fuel gauges and fire sensor lines are sensitive coax cables and you can't bend them.


57 posted on 07/22/2004 6:32:19 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I must be the source of Gravity, everything seems to come down on me)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
I watched a news reporter state, the day after the downing of Flight #800 that there had been a significant amount of middle east 'chatter' surrounding the incident.

I remember Kallstrom stating that it was his opinion that it was a bomb that brought down Flight #800.

I also remember a day when Hall the transportation administrator at the time, accidently 'fell' overboard one of the seach ships folling the crash into the sea.

I also remember the ridiculous dog training story that was floated.

58 posted on 07/22/2004 6:34:39 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: Lakeside
I don't see this related to TWA #800, the Olympic Park bombing or the Oklahoma City bombing.

All that can easily be refuted or denied by the clintonoids.

I believe they were all middle east terror acts but there's not enough proof for Berger to risk his freedom to cover it up.

59 posted on 07/22/2004 6:37:22 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: freeplancer

Yes, indeed, Jim Kalstrom was Clinton's cover-up man. JK even convinced Rush.....then he RETIRED!!!! COWARD.


60 posted on 07/22/2004 6:37:34 AM PDT by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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