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Did Sandy Berger “Fry” Flight 800 Records?
Mens News Daily ^ | July 22, 2004 | Tom Kovach

Posted on 07/22/2004 4:17:31 AM PDT by johnny7

During the 1980s, renowned radio commentator Paul Harvey said something that I’ve quoted often to my friends. Opining about various wars and upheavals — in the Middle East, Central and South America, Northern Ireland, and Cambodia — Harvey said, “Sometimes you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”

During this election year — while the country is at war with shadowy terrorist networks, both here and abroad — Paul Harvey’s advice seems especially appropriate. Americans have already come up with various combinations of “Berger & Ketchup” to describe the relationship between former Clinton Administration national-security advisor Sandy Berger and presidential candidate Senator John Kerry (who is married to ketchup-fortune heiress Teresa Heinz-Kerry). Adding to that, I will say that Berger’s recently-abdicated title as an “informal advisor” to the Kerry campaign is starting to look a lot like the “unofficial spokesman” on the Wendy’s Hamburgers TV commercials. (Oddly, the Wendy’s theme has shown up in another of my articles about the Flight 800 mystery.)

The recent revelation by Sandy Berger that he removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives, and then “lost” them, has numerous implications during this election season. Berger was the national-security advisor to Bill Clinton, who is the most scandal-laden president in US history. Flight 800 was destroyed in mid-air during the 1996 re-election campaign of Bill Clinton. Another high-level Clinton insider — former White House chief of staff, turned ABC-TV news analyst, George Stephanopoulos — referred to the bombing of Flight 800 on the air. With that remark — and his associated description of being inside the “other situation room” in the White House at the time of the Flight 800 disaster — a direct link was made between Clinton and Flight 800. This link was, of course, overlooked by the “mainstream” news media.

So, what does this link between Bill Clinton and Flight 800 have to do with the current John Kerry presidential campaign? Well, perhaps nothing, except thatJohn Kerry also referred to Flight 800 as a terrorist incident in a televised interview. The problem is that, with the upcoming release of the final report of the “9-11” Commission, the general public will have the opportunity to refresh their memory about the link between Flight 800 and terrorism. Having spent years on the Senate Intelligence Committee, it is now impossible for Kerry to deny that he had access to information about any link between Flight 800 and terrorist acts. Therefore, if such a link is proven, then a line can be drawn between the downing of Flight 800 in 1996 and the “9-11” attacks in 2001. Again, because of his committee experience and his televised interview, Kerry cannot now distance himself from his comments about “9-11”. Follow along: if a link is made in the public’s mind between terrorism, Flight 800, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and “9-11”, then what is the logical result? Surely, donations to the Democratic Party and to the Kerry campaign would dry up rapidly. Therefore, it is imperative to the Kerry campaign to destroy evidence of such a link. Enter: Sandy Berger. He is a person that had intimate knowledge of high-level decisions about terrorism, and access to the records of those decisions. Now, it is public knowledge that Berger has “lost” some of those documents. Were the “lost” documents related to Flight 800? The only person that knows hasn’t talked.

What is known is that there are numerous pieces of evidence that point to the involvement of a missile in the TWA Flight 800 disaster. What is known is that President Clinton issued an executive order that was targeted to silence the Navy SEALs that were on scene at the Flight 800 debris field in the Atlantic Ocean. What is known is that the FBI was very embarrassed when news of Bureau interest in missile technology became public. (Read the portion about the Teledyne fax to Dee Muma.) What is known is that the Navy SEALs are following the Flight 800 story. What is known is that there were other terrorist plots on US soil between 1996 and 2001. What is known is that the Clinton Administration ignored warnings about Operation Bojinka, and thus paved the way for the “9-11” attacks. What is known is that Clinton wanted to cover his tracks about the probable Bojinka—“9-11” link. What is known is that Berger is a close ally of both Clinton and Kerry. What is known is that Berger removed highly-classified documents from the National Archives. What is known is that those documents were related to information examined by the 9-11 Commission about the extent of terrorist operations in America prior to 11 September 2001. (operations that apparently continue today) What is known is that Bill Clinton and his ilk will do anything to gain and retain political power. And, just recently, it became known that Operation Iraqi Freedom had more justification than Kerry has admitted.

As this article is being written, a Federal appeals court is in session in Massachusetts. The topic is the secrecy over autopsy reports of the Flight 800 crash victims. As I reported last week, independent researcher and electrical engineer Graeme Sephton — vice-president of FIRO, and founding president of FOIAC — is winning so far in his lawsuit against the FBI. The suit is trying to force the Bureau to release autopsy reports, which allegedly contain proof of missile shrapnel in the bodies of Flight 800 victims. If the lawsuit is successful, then the official Clinton Administration story about Flight 800 will be blown to bits. The political explosion, however, will not only affect the elusive “Clinton legacy”. The fireball would also burn up the chances of John Kerry to become elected as President of the United States. And, with that would come the destruction of any potential pardons of criminal charges for culpability in a Flight 800 cover-up. And, the shrapnel from this explosion would also shred the hopes of other Democratic Party candidates, especially in Massachusetts. The timing of Berger’s revelation that he “lost” valuable documents — coming in between last week’s article about the lawsuit, and today’s court hearing — seems quite suspicious. And, the fact that the hearing is being held in Kerry’s home state certainly adds fuel to the speculation — especially considering that a Fox-TV news item mentioned the lawsuit on the Flight 800 anniversary last Saturday. It appears to me that Berger’s revelations about illegal activity are designed to take heat off Kerry, in the same way that Janet Reno’s raid on the compound outside Waco seemed timed to take media attention away from the indictment of Hillary Clinton.

Because of my own experience in the Air Force, I know that it might never be possible to determine which documents disappeared at the hands of Sandy Berger. When documents reach a certain level of classification, even the table of contents listing the documents is classified. Therefore, only people with that level of clearance, and a specific “need to know”, may be granted access to even the table of contents. Most members of the public do not realize that there are actually several layers of classification above Top Secret. If the Clinton White House did, in fact, engage in a cover-up of the shoot-down of Flight 800, then the most likely “classification authority” would have been Sandy Berger. He would have been under great incentive to hide the proof under the highest classification possible. Thus, even proof that such documents ever existed would be difficult to access.

Were the missing documents shredded, and/or burned? If so, then did Berger “fry” any records of the truth about the downing of Flight 800? (I had to make a joke about it, because, “Sometimes, you have to laugh, just to keep from crying.”)


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: johnny7

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21 posted on 07/22/2004 4:58:42 AM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: GBA
How is it that a person can use their cell phone while looking over top secret documents? What are the procedures regarding top secret docs?

......Cell Phone Cameras......and Box-Cutter-Knife-Cameras......?

/sarcasm

22 posted on 07/22/2004 4:59:18 AM PDT by maestro
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From the article: Follow along: if a link is made in the public’s mind between terrorism, Flight 800, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and “9-11”, then what is the logical result? Surely, donations to the Democratic Party and to the Kerry campaign would dry up rapidly. Therefore, it is imperative to the Kerry campaign to destroy evidence of such a link. Enter: Sandy Berger. He is a person that had intimate knowledge of high-level decisions about terrorism, and access to the records of those decisions. Now, it is public knowledge that Berger has “lost” some of those documents. Were the “lost” documents related to Flight 800? The only person that knows hasn’t talked.

23 posted on 07/22/2004 4:59:51 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: johnny7

I am intrigued by the cover-up of what really happened to Flight 800. I clearly recall the initial reports and interviews of witnesses on CNN like it was yesterday and will always believe that Flight 800 was brought down by a missle of some sort.

My problem is that I am still having a rough time connecting the dots that lead directly to the Kerry camp. There appears to be a little bit of a leap here. Yes, I've heard John Kerry's and George Stephanopolis' (as well as others) reference to terrorism in regards to Flight 800 and Bill Clinton's immediate appointment of Algore to lead a committee to investigate and review airport security in the aftermath of Flight 800 is very telling. But, without knowing just what documents Sandy Berger "accidently" removed and subsequently "accidently" lost, this all appears to be spit in the wind. Everyone who has had a bone to pick with the Clinton administration seems to be using this opportunity to justify their conspiracies.

I am also a firm believer, based on evidence I have seen and read, that Vince Foster did not kill himself (at least, not at Fort Marcy Park) but how long will it be before somebody supposes that Sandy Berger was trying to remove documentation pertaining to Vince Foster's knowledge of Bill Clinton's campaign against terrorism because they have an affidavit from somebody testifying to seeing Vince Foster opining to a beggar on the street about the lack of effort in the administration to push through an anti-terrorism bill?

The point is that if people find out John Kerry knew that Flight 800 was shot down by a terrorist with shoulder launched missle, we are too far removed from the event for the majority of America to care. He's already on tape admitting to "atrocities" in Vietnam and a couple of dozen or so Vietnam era officers are on record as saying that based on their experience with Kerry, he is not fit to lead the country, what makes anyone think that Tom Brokaw and company are going to throw in the towel based on this new damning revelation?


24 posted on 07/22/2004 5:00:58 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: joesnuffy

I really want to disagree with you, but I've been making the same point on other threads myself. I'll be pleasantly surprised if we're wrong.


25 posted on 07/22/2004 5:01:32 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: Stallone

Now, try this analysis on for size:

The Clinton administration, facing an election in the coming months of 1996, have a choice:

i) Admit to a terrorist act and face the consequences of pursuing the truth; or

ii) Lie like a politician, claim it was an accident, and run on peace and prosperity.

Knowing what you know now about Clinton, Burger, Reno, Clarke, advisers Carville, Stephanopoulos and others, what do you think they chose?

Exactly.


26 posted on 07/22/2004 5:01:39 AM PDT by Stallone (Make love not war! ~ Lynndie England)
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To: backhoe
Hold your nose on this one:

Good background on how they use the research facility:

We'll discuss the mechanics of research there -- what researchers can do with archived material -- and what's frowned upon.

27 posted on 07/22/2004 5:04:08 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: johnny7
The only way to knock out the Dem spin is to release something more serious. I want Berger prosecuted and I definitely want to know what really happened to Flight 800.

I think about all of the lives impacted by Flt. 800 as well as those involved in what has always looked like a cover up. A single murder demands justice, but this is murder on a grand scale.

And not just murder in terms of human life, but also of truth, of justice, of the integrity of our trusted intitutions like the FAA, the NTSB, the FBI and CIA, etc., as well as of reputations of companies like Boeing.

And all to protect the sorry butt of one man: Bill Clinton. A man whose legacy still needs to be written.

28 posted on 07/22/2004 5:05:00 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Wolverine

Whoops- forgot to thank you for the link- copied, saved, and already used.


29 posted on 07/22/2004 5:14:24 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the Trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: johnny7
On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
mmediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation
Did Clinton appointee corrupt Flight 800 probe?

30 posted on 07/22/2004 5:18:07 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Then I say unto you, send men to summon ... worms. And let us go to Fallujah to collect heads.")
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To: GBA

Indeed - also, what type of cell phone does Berger have? One can obtain units that have photographic capability. Did Berger send photos of the documents to another person's e-mail account? This is possibly a situation of 1950s technology - archived "papers" - meeting up with 2004 technology for ill purposes. My reading of this so far is that the Clintons, Kerry, and their democrat mouthpieces(the media of course fall into the latter category) were involved in a national security compromise and now a major cover-up of profound interest given the clear and present dangers of today.


31 posted on 07/22/2004 5:27:48 AM PDT by astounded
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To: ClearCase_guy

One problem with digitized docs and microfiche - they are more easily accessed and/or concealed by unauthorized people. In terms of digitization, they are also more easily erased.

Physical security of the computer itself is moot if the computer is connected to a network.

Electronic copies of paper originals (i.e.: the notes hand-written in the margins) would be an excellent idea, but not without security risk.


32 posted on 07/22/2004 5:34:17 AM PDT by MortMan (Complacency is an enemy sniper)
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To: MortMan
All your points are good ones. However, government agencies tackle all of those points routinely. SW Development, for instance, for DOD, is often tightly restricted, yet placed on secure networks, backed up, and safe from erasure.

Mitigating the security risks is not easy, and not cheap -- but at Sandy Berger's level, it should be routine. The idea that one guy can stuff a few copies of a memo down his pants and "poof!" all knowledge of such a memo is forever gone is just shocking. I do not know what procedures are followed at the National Archives, and perhaps they are smart enough so that nothing was actually "lost" -- but the news coverage seems to indicate that Berger did some irrepairable damage to the Archives. All I'm saying: relying on paper is barbaric.

33 posted on 07/22/2004 5:42:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column)
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To: johnny7

I wonder if the Saudis will ever admit that the downing of their flight over Newfoundland was a terrorist act...


34 posted on 07/22/2004 5:44:54 AM PDT by tubebender (If I had known I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: johnny7
The author shourldn't kid himself: If there is any evidence in the autopsies of a missile (which I do not believe exists) or a bomb (which is possible, not certainly not proven), it will NOT hit Kerry nearly as hard as Bush, because there will be someone, somewhere in the administration who would have had this evidence, and the Dems will only use it against Bush.

There is no way, ever, that TWA 800 becomes about Kerry, and only a remote possibility that it becomes about Clinton.

35 posted on 07/22/2004 5:44:56 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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To: johnny7

It has always seemed to me that flight 800 was downed by a missile, but if so, then President Bush ought to know, and therefore ought to know about a Clinton coverup of same. Nobody on this thread is asking, let alone answering, the obvious question: if all this is true, why is Bush continuing the coverup?


36 posted on 07/22/2004 5:47:26 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Dustbunny
For treasonous behavior, a firing squad is more apropos, especially in time of war. The criminal enterprise democrat party leadership is way over the top in aiding and abetting the enemies of this nation in the war on terrorists. Careless?... Yeah, careless to get caught, unless there was material being brought into the archives and taking and destroying is a cover for the more sinister activity. Either way, the democrap party is now fully shaped in the twisted degenerate clinton image. Sadly, too many American voters appear to prefer the deadly malignancy of clintonism stamped on the democrap party.
37 posted on 07/22/2004 5:49:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Hatteras
and Bill Clinton's immediate appointment of Algore to lead a committee to investigate and review airport security in the aftermath of Flight 800 is very telling.

And that committee came up with very stringent measures for airport security and the Airlines screamed bloody murder until Gore backed down and let them off only to have 9/11 happen. I think Tommy Daschle's wife had her hand in this also...

38 posted on 07/22/2004 5:55:27 AM PDT by tubebender (If I had known I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: johnny7
I still think it is very interesting that Mohammed Samir Ferrat who was to be on Ron Brown's flight ended up on 800.
39 posted on 07/22/2004 5:55:48 AM PDT by TBall
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To: OldFriend
Assume the worst because the risk to Berger was far too great for this to be something simple.

Bergers insane actions scream for a House investigation! As we speak, House Republicans are gearing up for this if more information is not forthcoming.

The Dems are working 24/7 to deflect Bergers damning actions. This life-long bureaucratic leech would not throw his career away for nothing!

40 posted on 07/22/2004 5:56:15 AM PDT by johnny7 (Churchill: “Where are your reserves?” Petain: “Accune”(none). May, 1940)
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