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CARDINAL RATZINGER ORDERS KERRY COMMUNION BAN!
Newsmax ^ | 7/6/04

Posted on 07/06/2004 12:31:01 PM PDT by areafiftyone

In a private memorandum, top Vatican prelate Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told American bishops that Communion must be denied to Catholic politicians who support legal abortion.

While never mentioning Sen. John Kerry by name, the memo implicitly aims at the pro-choice Catholic Massachusetts senator and presidential candidate.

But the ban is broad and includes all other pro-abortion Catholic politicians who are defying the church's ban on abortion.

According the the Culture of Life Foundation, which obtained a copy of the confidential document, the Cardinal began by stressing the serious nature of receiving Communion and the need for each person to make “a conscious decision” regarding their worthiness based on “the Church’s objective criteria.”

But the Cardinal adds that it is not only the responsibility of the pro-abortion politicians such as Kerry to make a judgment about their worthiness to receive Communion.

It is also up to those distributing Communion to deny the sacrament to those in conflict with the Church's prohibition of abortion and the duty of office holders to oppose the procedure.

“Apart from an individual’s judgment about his worthiness to present himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion may find himself in the situation where he must refuse to distribute Holy Communion to someone, such as in cases of a declared excommunication, a declared interdict, or an obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin.”

If a politician such as Kerry “still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it, ” Cardinal Ratzinger wrote.

He added that such as denial does not mean that the minister of Communion is judging the politician’s soul but is a reflection that he is in a state of obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin.

“Nor is the minister of Holy Communion passing judgment on the person’s

subjective guilt, but rather is reacting to the person’s public unworthiness to receive Holy Communion due to an objective situation of sin.”

The document also address the issues of the death penalty and war, contrasting these issues and with abortion.

“Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia ... There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia,” Ratzinger wrote.

The memo was one of the subjects of an interim report by a task force of seven bishops established to address the Communion question.

The topic was also addressed by the American Bishops during their mid-June meeting in Dallas.

At that meeting the Bishops approved a document titled “Catholics in Political Life” which while it had harsh words for pro-abortion leaders, did not make specific recommendations on whether or not they should be denied Communion instead leaving the decision to individual Bishops.

Implicit in what the the Cardinal was saying, however, is that the bishops are required to state unambiguously that pro-abortion politicians must be denied Holy Communion, thus removing the decision from the bishops' discretion.


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To: MattinNJ
Ping. Do you think this will become a major issue? It comes from the Vatican.>>

It's  major all right but they are over there and we are over here, by the time word gets around, the election will be over and:

They will IGNORE him as usual and continue to lead souls to hell while pushing the Catholic Campaign for Human Development and voting for Democrats.

The Kerry Affair: What Ratzinger Wanted from the American Bishops (Rome: "REFUSE Eucharist!")

US bishops rejected Ratzinger's advice

Democrats Secret Weapon - How American Bishops Kept Abortion Legal for Thirty Years

81 posted on 07/06/2004 1:53:58 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


82 posted on 07/06/2004 1:54:22 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: areafiftyone

in a state of obstinate persistence

couldn't have found a better way to describe liberals.


83 posted on 07/06/2004 1:54:28 PM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: eastsider

But one exhibits piety when one acts in conformity to the will of the gods, and certainly the gods seek only that which is right.


84 posted on 07/06/2004 1:55:18 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC
I think it is entirely principled for a Catholic politician, for example, who is personally opposed to the death penalty, to sign one into law and faithfully impliment it in light of the declared will of the majority of citizens in his state and the legislature.

There's no doctrinal position on the death penalty, so it wouldn't matter.

85 posted on 07/06/2004 1:55:21 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod ('I went to Vietnam, yada yada yada, I want to be President...")
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To: BikerNYC
Because he is willing to forego his own opinions and execute the will of the majority.

You find that a good feature? Yikes. That's the very definition of mob rule.

Majority opinion is mighty powerful all on its own. The role of a legislature in a Republic is not to stick its finger into the wind and blow along with it. Burke has this one nailed.

The power of the majority who can't get its will validated by a legislator is to replace him - which was Burke's point to his constituents at Bristol.

86 posted on 07/06/2004 1:55:48 PM PDT by Snuffington
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To: BlessedBeGod

Is it a sin for the true believer to walk past an abortion clinic and do nothing?


87 posted on 07/06/2004 1:56:30 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC
Blah. "Render unto Cesar..." I am not for religious despotism. But the people can be bloodthirsty tyrants, too. They can even outlaw religion, if they want. Like all forces, vox populi needs to be moderated. Thats why we have a representative republic. Our representatives use their consciences to make decisions we couldn't properly make for ourselves.
88 posted on 07/06/2004 1:56:57 PM PDT by Lilllabettt
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To: Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator; Lead Moderator
Interesting to note that the previous thread on the same subject, Highest Authorities in Vatican Back Denial of Communion to Pro-Abortion Politicians was removed to the Religion Forum within seconds of it being posted to the News Forum, yet this thread, thankfully, is still on the News forum for 1 1/2 hours.

How about a little uniformity in your moderators' practices? The Kerry issue is too important to use this kind of thread censorship to further personal vendettas among your mods.

89 posted on 07/06/2004 1:57:26 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic - -without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Lady GOP

Not in the church Kerry attends. He goes to some sort of leftwing 'Catholic' church in Boston. They would probably disobey an order from the Pope.


90 posted on 07/06/2004 1:59:02 PM PDT by jjm2111 (www.noonreports.blogspot.com)
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To: areafiftyone

It won't be enforced; it is just a document.


91 posted on 07/06/2004 1:59:10 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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Kerry cited in Catholic heresy case

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More Bias and spin in the many newspaper articles to protect the liberal democrat. Kerry provided NO evidence of an annulment and he was married to Heinz, his second wife worth Billions,  in the back yard of a home on Martha's Vineyard which is not ordinarily allowed for Catholics and there is also NO evidence of any RC priest who married them.

I wish the reporters would question him for the truth. Dream on.

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Excommunicate Kerry Website

Catholics Against Kerry

1400 Ecclesial communities derived from the Reformation and separated from the Catholic Church, "have not preserved the proper reality of the Eucharistic mystery in its fullness, especially because of the absence of the sacrament of Holy Orders."236 It is for this reason that Eucharistic intercommunion with these communities is not possible for the Catholic Church. However these ecclesial communities, "when they commemorate the Lord's death and resurrection in the Holy Supper . . . profess that it signifies life in communion with Christ and await his coming in glory."237

Can.  844 §1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of §§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and ⇒ can. 861, §2.

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92 posted on 07/06/2004 1:59:14 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: BlessedBeGod; VOA; risk; sport; JoeSixPack1

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The Issue here is not Religion.

It's KERRY bullying his way to the Communion Rail for the benefit of his Catholic TV Audience/Voters.

Period.

I am proud of a Catholic Church that finally bites back, justly, at a KERRY who sided with our Terrorist Enemy HO CHI MINH's War on Catholics in South Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

.


93 posted on 07/06/2004 2:00:03 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: drjimmy

"I wonder if it will make waves at the Republican Convention, where (at least) three pro-abortion Catholics are expected to give major speeches: Giuliani, Pataki, and Schwarzenegger."


Doubtful. This is obviously a ban on Democratic candidates only, as seen by the sentence below:


"While never mentioning Sen. John Kerry by name, the memo implicitly aims at the pro-choice Catholic Massachusetts senator and presidential candidate. "


I guess it's OK to be pro-abortion if you include a (r) after your name?

Church + Politics = Always good for a hypocritical chuckle.


94 posted on 07/06/2004 2:00:05 PM PDT by Blzbba (Hillary Clinton - Dawn of a New Error.)
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95 posted on 07/06/2004 2:00:59 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: sinkspur

I think he is quite a bit higher than 78, but I don't think he is #1. IIRC he is in the top ten list for next Pope.


96 posted on 07/06/2004 2:01:21 PM PDT by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: BikerNYC

In that situation, a "true believer" can pray for the end of that evil. That is definitely "doing something". The sin comes in when the true believer not only refuses to pray, but looks at the place and thinks to himself: there are those heroic doctors defending the rights of women. You go guys.


97 posted on 07/06/2004 2:02:06 PM PDT by Lilllabettt
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To: sinkspur

I agree with the position to ban communion from pro-infanticide politicians. However, what's next, banning the communion to those who believe in capital punishment? Whoops.


98 posted on 07/06/2004 2:02:08 PM PDT by Danrec
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To: BikerNYC
Is it a sin for the true believer to walk past an abortion clinic and do nothing?

I take it you're not Catholic. Good Catholics are taught from a very young age to say a "Hail Mary" or an "Our Father" when they hear an ambulance siren. Likewise, when we knowingly pass an abortion chamber, the least we can do is say a prayer.

99 posted on 07/06/2004 2:02:34 PM PDT by old and tired
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To: Lilllabettt
Our representatives use their consciences to make decisions we couldn't properly make for ourselves.

Are you actually defending the consciences of those people in the United States Congress as being superior to a majority of the consciences of those whom they represent?
100 posted on 07/06/2004 2:03:02 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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