Posted on 05/26/2004 2:17:56 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
Certainly there are those within Islam who do not subscribe to the atrocities I am about to discuss, but their peaceful practice of Islam doesn't make it a peaceful religion. A peaceful religion is similar to that of Richard Gere and his Buddhist brethren.
Professor Moshe Sharon of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem writes:
Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world ... Judaism speaks about national salvation – namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sins, while Islam speaks about ruling the world ... quoting a verse in English ... 'Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions.' The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Muslim world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam ... Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.
Consider: There are about 400 recognized terrorist groups in the world. Over 90 percent of these are Islamist groups. Over 90 percent of the current world fighting involves Islamist terror movements. The vast majority of world terrorism is religiously motivated by Islam.
This includes Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Lebanon, Indonesia, all of the Emirates, Sudan, Philippines, India, Libya, Algeria, Malaysia, Spain, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia, Jordan and, finally, what they call the "occupied territory" – Israel. Louis Farrakhan is the face of Islam in America. Is his message one of peace?
According to a recent story in WorldNetDaily, "A British Muslim convert characterized an alleged mission to bomb the Israeli embassy in Australia as his obligation to Allah to perform jihad ..." The man went on to say, "As Muslims we are obligated to perform jihad to uphold the laws of Allah, the truth on his earth."
There have been Baptists calling for Hollywood to produce programming fit for family consumption – but I cannot point to Baptists calling for Hollywood to be destroyed because it is comprised of Jews and infidels.
There exist doctrinal differences between Wesleyans, Nazarenes and charismatics – most notably on the subject of glossolalia – but I have never heard these groups refer to one another as infidels or call for annihilation. But true followers of Islam cannot make that claim.
According to Dr. Mark Gabriel ("Islam and Terrorism"), "There are 114 verses in the Quran that speak of love, forgiveness and peace (Meccan verses). All are abrogated by Sudah 9:5, known as 'The Verse of The Sword,' which came later in Muhammad's life (Medina):
Find and slay the pagans [non-Muslims] wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent [convert to Islam], and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, them open up a way for them: for Allah is oft forgiving, most merciful ...
– Surah 9:5
I cannot think of any practicing Catholics I know who would be overjoyed if their daughter married an unrepentant atheist. But I am unwaveringly confident that their priest would not call for her to be stabbed or axed to death for having brought dishonor to the family. Yet, as WorldNetDaily reported in April, that is exactly what a Muslim Jordanian man did to his 8-months pregnant sister. And a Muslim Kurd murdered his 16-year-old daughter for starting a relationship with a Lebanese Christian boy in September 2003.
WND further reported "an anthropologist's study said dozens and probably hundreds of brutal 'honor killings' of Palestinian women and girls ... annually go unreported." Such occurrences have taken place in the United States. Some may try to dismiss or argue away these examples as anecdotal, but they are anything but.
The recent beheading of Nick Berg sickened us, but this act was practiced and sanctioned by Muhammad himself.
In an article published by Barnabas Fund on May 14, "Hundreds of Christians die in bloody massacres in Kano," the Christian Association of Nigeria reported Muslim rioters had murdered 600-plus Christians and burned 12 Christian churches in one night. Pregnant women were "ripped open and their bodies burned."
In Jersey City and Newark, N.J., it wasn't Mennonites or Methodists who celebrated in the streets as 3,000-plus Americans (Muslims included) were murdered.
Every morning of every day we read and hear of atrocities committed by fanatical Muslims. Christians are commonly politicized as being hardcore and fanatical; but decapitation is not Christian theology.
Many Muslims in this country may be peaceful, but apart from the radical activities of groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, I've not heard a cacophony of their voices. But we should. After all it wasn't Mormons standing on a bridge in Fallujah shouting Allahu Akbar (God is great) while the remains of innocent mutilated Americans burned.
OK, I'll re-read my Leviticus.
Maybe you should open your eyes and ears....see the hate being preached..is it modern to truly believe one group of people are descended from monkeys and pigs?
http://memri.org/video/
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2004/may/03_08.html
I unterstand and agree with that. But at the same time I don't believe that all Muslims - not even the majority of them - are practicing that teaching. Only the ones who take it literally.
Actually what you refer to as "ancient Jewish law" was God's law. God's son Jesus was the fulfillment of the law and with his new covenant, the law became internalized. The law is "written on our hearts and minds" to quote from the book of Hebrews. So we do not adhere to the outward rituals and codes of the Old Testament, but God himself never changes and his justice never changes. Our sins can be forgiven through the sacrifice of Jesus if we have faith in him and demonstrate our faith with our lives.
God's central message from the beginning has always been selfless love and a humble spirit. From Isaiah "The sacrifices of God are a humble spirit and a contrite heart." And in the book of Amos God told men that he despised their religious rituals and assemblies because they were neglecting widows and orphans and taking bribes etc...
Its impossible to insert Islam into a conversation/debate of civilized religions. nuff said
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This makes about as much sense as saying the following...
You can't blame Communism because of it's fanatics. Sure the Communist Manifesto has it's violent parts, but most Communists are not totalitarians. The problem is that the loud ones are.
As I say,...
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[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
That Leviticus book is from the OLD Testament, part of the Old Covenant, and contain the dietary laws and other tenets by which faithful Orthodox JEWS live, though you haven't heard anything about any Orthodox Jewish women being burned alive lately, have you?
Jesus said he was the NEW Covenant, and the NEW Testament is the basis of the Christian religion, though we still revere the Old Testament that foretells the coming of the Messiah. I don't remember reading anything in the New Testament about enslaving and killing those who do not agree that Jesus is the Savior. Though there may have been times in the past when misguided believers did just that, those actions are not supported by the vast majority,and have been roundly criticized by modern Christians.
You could find many examples, just as horrifying, of Christian communities or countries making a massacre of Muslims, Jews, and other Christians.
BullS***
Post em. And they don't get to be instances of Christians or others defending themselves against the Islamic mtastitism...
Compounded by the problem that the non-violent Muslims don't seem to be willing to stand up and DENOUNCE those who are doing violence.
And did you hear Christians denouncing those actions far and wide? Yes you did. A far cry from the response of Muslims since 1983 which was the beginning of the large scale radical Islamic movement. Some might say it truly started with the 1972 Munich games and the murder of the Israeli athletes, but it became more widespread with the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon. I don't remember hearing much outcry for finding 'those who would do such a heinous thing' from their fellow Muslims.
"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger"-The Prophet Muhammad (Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13)"Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword."-The Prophet Muhammad (Ibn Hisham, part 4, p. 11)
"When the sacred months elapse, kill those who associate other gods with God, wherever you find them"-The Prophet Muhammad (Surah 9:5)
A "Religion of Peace"? Sure.
I won't dispute that, really. The Islam most Muslims are taught today is far, far different from the Islam Muslims were taught in the Middle-Ages. Today their scholars teach hatred, murder and "holy war". I find this as abhorrent as all of you who've taken time to debate with me on this thread.
Once again, I'm not justifying anything there - just saying that I don't want Christianity, the religion I was raised into, turn into an equivalent of present-day Islam. I do not want to see His message distorted to become a message of hatred. I want terrorists to be punished in a fitting manner, as well as those who helped or harbored them, but I don't want to see some quiet, law-abiding people been insulted or likened to criminals because they happen to believe in a different God than me.
Very interesting. I'd never heard that before, though it makes complete sense.
Pro-abortion Democrats ought to take note of this one.
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All examples of actions CONTRARY to the teachings of Christianity, NOT supported by them.
How many instances of Christians harming Muslims have you heard about in THIS country since 9/11? You're be hard pressed to come up with very many. Americans are a very tolerant people in their direct dealings with their fellow citizens, but frankly, I don't blame Christians for being suspicious of their Muslim neighbors, once they understand just what Islam truly teaches as a result of it's pushing Wahhabism, a truly violent sect, and it's not just in the Madhrassas in Pakistan. Wahhabists are the leading sect of Islam today, funded around the world by the Saudis in their attempt to stave off rebellion among their own people.
I guess we're just not as trusting as we were before 9/11. Maybe that will save our lives.
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