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1 posted on 04/27/2004 9:45:24 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
What was Bill Clinton's war time record?.Did Ted Kennedy have one?
2 posted on 04/27/2004 9:48:37 AM PDT by TonyWojo
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To: doug from upland
Kerry was in Vietnam?
3 posted on 04/27/2004 9:49:44 AM PDT by mcg1969
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Excellent read!
5 posted on 04/27/2004 9:50:38 AM PDT by Skywarner (Enjoying freedom? Thank a Veteran!)
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Kerry is just jealous, he didn't get many chicks being in the navy with is silly hairdo.
6 posted on 04/27/2004 9:50:52 AM PDT by big bad easter bunny
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My question is, will Kerry be hit with a libel lawsuit? I saw him quip on the news last night that Bush didn't even show up, and the DNC snakes are running a commercial saying the same thing. PUNCH! SMACK! GO NEGATIVE! HIT 'EM WITH LIBEL! DO IT NOW!
9 posted on 04/27/2004 9:55:37 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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From my archives:

After the Bush AWOL story had percolated for months, Col. Turnipseed finally remembered another glitch in his story: the fact that National Guard regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter. And, in fact - according to the Times - that's what Bush did.

"A document in Mr. Bush's military records," the paper said, "showed credit for four days of duty ending Nov. 29 and for eight days ending Dec. 14, 1972, and, after he moved back to Houston, on dates in January, April and May." The paper found corroboration for the document, noting, "The May dates correlated with orders sent to Mr. Bush at his Houston apartment on April 23, 1973, in which Sgt. Billy B. Lamar told Mr. Bush to report for active duty on May 1-3 and May 8-10."

Yet another document obtained by the Times blew the Bush AWOL story out of the water. It showed that Mr. Bush served at various times from May 29, 1973, through July 30, 1973 - "a period of time questioned by The Globe," the Times sheepishly admitted.

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AUSTIN, Texas -- When George W. Bush joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, there was little chance he would ever see Vietnam from the cockpit of his F-102 Delta Dagger jet fighter.

When the plane was in demand overseas, Bush was not yet qualified to fly it. By the time he passed his final combat flight test in June 1970, the Air Force was pulling the jets out of Southeast Asia.

Bush, the Texas governor and presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said in his autobiography that he and a friend, Fred Bailey, tried to join the Palace Alert program that rotated National Guard pilots into Vietnam. A colonel told them only a few more pilots would go and "Fred and I had not logged enough hours to participate," Bush wrote.

Retired Col. Maury Udell, who trained Bush to fly the F-102, has no doubt his pupil was willing to go to Vietnam. Udell agreed that Bush was too inexperienced for Palace Alert, but he said the young man did become a good fighter pilot. "George got really good in air-to-air combat," he said.

Udell, now a 270-pound judo expert who describes himself as a "war-type guy," said Bush had an extraordinary memory and ability to process information. From Udell's perspective, Bush's ability to overcome his aristocratic schooling at Phillips Academy in Andover, Mass., and Yale University and mix with the other guardsmen was more impressive. "It is OK to get a good education, but some of those people are a little off the wall," he said. "I just wanted to make sure that he was in it for real."

Udell said he spent six hours a day for six months training Bush. And that's not all. "We would go to the bar and play dead bug just like everybody else," he said. When someone yelled "dead bug" the pilots would hit the floor and stick their hands and feet up in the air. "The last guy to do that has to buy the next round," Udell said, laughing. "He was really good with folks," he said. But the young pilot did not take insults well: "You can't put him down too easily. He's really tough. He'll fight you."

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10 posted on 04/27/2004 9:55:45 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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INTREP
11 posted on 04/27/2004 10:01:28 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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bump
12 posted on 04/27/2004 10:01:48 AM PDT by Grit ('For the love of my brother, and for the love of my country.' - Pat Tillman)
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"I don't understand where [people saying Dubya is a dummy] comes from."


Can you say "DNC, Terry McAuliffe, and Hillary Clinton"?
13 posted on 04/27/2004 10:03:26 AM PDT by Maria S ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm."George W. Bush 1/20/01)
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I don't understand where [people saying Dubya is a dummy] comes from."

Same place the Gore-is-a-genius crap came from.

15 posted on 04/27/2004 10:08:13 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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Bush flew on of these:

While Kerry rode in one of these:


16 posted on 04/27/2004 10:09:32 AM PDT by Always Right
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I am always insulted by these people who say that Bush did not really serve, because he never went overseas to Vietnam for combat. I am insulted because what does it say about the thousands of other men like him. My dad also volunteered for the service, rather than being drafted. Although that was in Korea, not Vietnam. He never left the United States, since the treaty was signed before his troop was to be shipped out. It never made my dad less of a veteran. It shouldn't make President Bush less of a veteran. Of course, I know I preaching to the choir on this one.
17 posted on 04/27/2004 10:12:41 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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Wish you guys would quit with the "Dubya inflation": he joined the Texas National Guard and flew F-102s. He did not become an infantry platoon commander or fly carrier aircraft or even fly medevac helicopters in Vietnam like many other young men of our generation. It was his choice and no amount of "gee whiz" about the F-102 Blowtorch comes close to actually risking everything you've got in combat. (and the only reason anybody would even think of bringing a F-102 to Vietnam was to display the thing: it had absolutely no conceivable use over there. It was a straightline interceptor in an area where there weren't any high-altitude bombers - and it couldn't turn with the MiGs).

Kerry did serve for four whole months before weenying out and leaving his subordinates high and dry. Then he betrayed all of us us with his participation in the pro-enemy Left, including scummy lies about our service in Vietnam and meeting with the enemy leadership while he was in Paris.

The real heroes were the volunteers and draftees that served honorably and at mortal risk during their tours in Vietnam. Neither one of these two need to be entering into long descriptions of their service.

19 posted on 04/27/2004 10:17:39 AM PDT by USMCVet
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"I don't understand where [people saying Dubya is a dummy] comes from."

Yale undergraduate degree.
Harvard MBA
Can pilot a jet

How many Liberals do you know who can match that?

To continue:

Successful tenure as Chief Executive of Texas.
Led the US out of recession.
Successfully invaded the unconquerable land of Afghanistan
Successfully invaded Iraq
Got Libya to relinquish WMD without firing a shot

He's a dummy?? Cognitive Dissonance is a Democrat specialty.

20 posted on 04/27/2004 10:20:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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Here's the BULL TIHS that Moveon is E-mailing around.


21 posted on 04/27/2004 10:27:43 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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Outstanding read, Doug. Thanks for posting this.
22 posted on 04/27/2004 10:29:30 AM PDT by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy, kid)
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So John al-Query wants to bring up Dubya's National Guard Service? In his own words, "Bring it On"!
26 posted on 04/27/2004 10:44:42 AM PDT by SuziQ
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BTTT
29 posted on 04/27/2004 11:07:01 AM PDT by spodefly (A 7mm intellect in a .284 caliber world, or something.)
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bump
34 posted on 04/27/2004 11:30:39 AM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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I'm sure glad this story has found some light.
35 posted on 04/27/2004 11:30:57 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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