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More copyright complaints
Free Republic | April 8, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/08/2004 9:19:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

As most of you are aware, we've recently received several copyright complaints. In the last few weeks, we've received complaints from the SJ Mercury News, Independent (UK), SF Chronicle and The Boston Globe. Just a couple days ago the Post-Gazette send a cease and desist notice and yesterday I heard from the Tribune-Review.

Tonight, I got a call from Amy and there were two more registered letters at our PO Box. The McClatchy News (Sacramento Bee) and USAToday are now added to the list of publications that have complained about copyright violations.

Well, folks, the handwriting is on the wall. The complaints are now coming in faster than I can respond to them. John is currently in the process of writing programs to search out and automatically excerpt all existing threads from these sources.

I think we're gonna have to go to excerpt and link for all news sources very soon unless we have written permission on file.


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To: Nita Nupress
Are you referring to legal action?

Not really. Even in a debate, if I'm trying to show that the L.A. Times is biased and cite examples to prove my point, unless I can prove that I'm not unfairly taking things out of context it would be rather difficult if not impossible for me to show the L.A. Times' bias.

261 posted on 04/08/2004 11:33:07 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: pending
The more frequent "registration" page seems to my bias to be a left wing publication thing?

We can just set up a common FreeRepublic registration identity.

Name: Whatever. Password: 12345.

Everyone on FR can then use the same name and password for all sites.

When I do register on some site that requires demograpic information, I register as a 14 year old girl.

262 posted on 04/08/2004 11:41:22 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: supercat
One more idea for FR from another thread

Well the solution is to continue posting as normal, but have the viewing software extract an abstract (first para) even thou the entire article is available. Then allow a command in the link like "complete=true" over ride the abstracting logic and retreive the entire article. I'm a pretty sure I could make my forum work that way. So I am certin FR can too. That way the entire artcle is available if the need arises.

263 posted on 04/08/2004 11:41:47 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Jim Robinson
This has made me disgusted so I just made a pledge even though I thoought I couldn't afford it!

264 posted on 04/08/2004 11:42:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I see several possible solutions:

* Find out how Lex/Nex has the legal standing to exist and then restructure yourself undersimilar guidelines.

* Look into the ramifications of becoming a "Not For Profit" entity.

* Have the site adopted by an accredited college or university for the purpose of making this legally a place of education which should get you through the "fair use" doorway. Perhaps Liberty U. or Bob Jones U. would do that for you.

* Finally, have John program posting "articles" so that many frequently used names are altered so that *we* knew who was being talked about even though the names aren't technically mentioned. For example:

"President George W. [Compassionate] said today he was proud of NSA Chief Condoleeza [Highcarbs]'s testimony before the 9-11 Commission. Ms [Highcarbs] gave an unprecedented public testimony under oath in an attempt to refute charges from former [Compassionate] Administration security official Richard [Clerk]. Republicans charge [Clerk] of false testimony in an attempt to sell his book and help the campaign of assumed Democrat presidential nominee John. F. [Flipflopper]. Meanwhile Sen. Tom [Thumb] (D-SD) joined Sen. Edward M. [Skirtchaser] (D-MA) in downplaying Ms. [Highcarbs]'s testimony..."
265 posted on 04/08/2004 11:47:59 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (The War on Terror is mere collateral damage to the Democrats' War on Bush.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm sure you're probably well aware of this already, but the Fair Use clause follows.

I have three questions that I believe would come into play to determine whether you could legally ignore all of these cease and desists (at least it's a good starter kit for your fleet of attorneys! ;)

1) Is this being posted to allow comment on the material? (see Fair Use)
2) Is there some transformation to the material in question? And since people are constantly adding comments the answer might be yes.
3) Is the specific use of the copyrighted material for commercial gain? key word being specific.
And I know we're all in favor of using rulings from other countries to determine how our courts rule... (not) but Canada recently equated peer-2-peer music sharing (which would appear to be even more questionable) as legal as making a photocopy of a page from a book or periodical at a library.

§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

266 posted on 04/08/2004 11:58:43 PM PDT by philsoc
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To: Jim Robinson
Here is some interesting information from somebody's site, 10 Big Myths about copyright explained. He gives permission to link the article in the article.

Also of interest is the imbedded link Fair Use: Overview and Meaning for Higher Education

-PJ

267 posted on 04/09/2004 12:11:29 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
BTTT
268 posted on 04/09/2004 12:18:20 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Become a monthly donor to Free Republic)
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To: Piranha
Okay - thanks for that info.
269 posted on 04/09/2004 12:28:23 AM PDT by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: DoughtyOne
"It's pretty hard to discuss a 2000 word article precisely when only three sentences appear on the forum. "

Reuters, AP, AFP, UPI, BBC, etc all post pretty much the same story with variations on the spin. If we concentrate on those differences, we'll still get the same story. Honestly, how many times have you read an article and realized you've read the same variation several times from different sources. We'll manage. It's not the end of Free Republic. Don't let those who want to take us down get to you. We will prevail. Over time, those that post on the internet will realize they can not prevent every person who reposts an article from doing so. There are millions of web sites out there. Let's say the Washington Post decides to go after everyone. They'll need hundred, if not thousands of people to search all the web sites. Right now, these media sources are picking the fruit they can reach easily. But, can they make a profit hiring people specifically to search every blog, every web page globally? They are not going to prevail. We will win. Right now, we are the apple on the low branch, but wait, they can not prevent it from occurring. We'll bide our time, we'll manage, and remember, we are a smart bunch, so we'll be able to adapt. In the meantime, others will be archiving, storing, and preserving. Be vigilant....

270 posted on 04/09/2004 12:35:19 AM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Jim Robinson
I concur with others who posit that this turn of events is part of a larger, orchestrated campaign.

To that end, it may be worthwhile to determine if these same papers have lowered the hammer on sites such as DU and similar.

If they haven't (and I doubt they have), I believe you have cause for filing a legal complaint. A company cannot enforce its copyright capriciously. If they allow one outfit (such as DU) to copy their articles in full with no agreement aforehand, then they do not have much of a leg on which to stand in their complaints against Free Republic.

In the meantime, now would be a good time to educate people on excerpting, summarizing, and outlining specific salient points rather than regurgitating the first 100 words of any given article. Otherwise these excerpts will prove useless once the original link vanishes.
271 posted on 04/09/2004 12:37:09 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Leftists claim Bush is a terrorist. So why aren't they trying to appease him?)
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To: Jim Robinson
I have an educated guess as to the source of the trouble. Recently there was a thread from admin about a poster being banned (after a second chance). The thread contained a link to an anti-Freeper site. You probably know what it is, so I'm not going to link it again. I'd never heard of them and started lurking there out of morbid curiosity. The prolific banned one is, as you probably know, very obsessed with and angry at all things Free Republic. Within the past several days I saw a thread there in which he and his similarly obsessed friends were discussing how much trouble FR might have if they all started complaining to media outlets about copyright violations on FR.
272 posted on 04/09/2004 12:43:32 AM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Jim Robinson
The Great Pumpkin probably took a dim view of FR airing that photo of her blocking the view of the couple trying to watch TV, the one used for the fund drive.
273 posted on 04/09/2004 1:36:34 AM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed (John Kerry: The candidate that most resembles Leonard Zelig.)
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To: WhiteyAppleseed
But that was an eery fore-shadowing, or a big aft-shadowing, of things to come.
274 posted on 04/09/2004 1:38:32 AM PDT by WhiteyAppleseed (John Kerry: The candidate that most resembles Leonard Zelig.)
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To: FreedomCalls
Sounds more like an organized WHINE from left wing IDIOTS that can't stand their words being dissected and thrown back in their face.

But the market will weed these morons out eventually.
275 posted on 04/09/2004 1:41:45 AM PDT by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "Please explain to me how Democrats are different from Terrorist")
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To: Jim Robinson
So much for fair use provisions of the US Constitution.

What's more, some publications are prohibiting even excerpting of articles.

276 posted on 04/09/2004 2:01:02 AM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Nita Nupress
The actual amount is left to the whim of the court. However, from this informative Copyright Timeline I found this number:

1986: Maxtone-Graham v. Burtchaell

Maxtone-Graham wrote a book containing women's stories of unwanted pregnancy and abortion in 1973. She denied Burtchaell's request to use excerpts from her published interviews. He published them anyway. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals found that quoting 4.3% of an author's work was not excessive and that Burtchaell's use of the narratives was a fair use.

BTW, that linked timeline is very information. It is apparent our system of copyright has been at the mercy of European law since 1831. I for one believe the First Congress got it right in 1790. How is "a limited time" equal to more than a lifetime? Locking up information for nearly a century does little to "promote the progress of Science and Useful Arts."

277 posted on 04/09/2004 2:04:44 AM PDT by John Robinson
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To: CatOwner
Sounds like an orchestrated effort

Well, I'm sure that George Soros is glad that he's getting something for all the millions that he's funneling under the table to the DNC.

I don't think it's going to buy him what he really wants though -- a President who will legalize his drug use.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

278 posted on 04/09/2004 2:07:31 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: GeronL
I know there are liberal groups sending them e-mails and letters. It will be interesting to see if DU and other websites are allowed to post their articles.

DU largely excerpts articles but there are occasions where full articles are reprinted; I doubt that special permission was requested/granted as there is no mention of it in those threads.

Also Bill Gates' Corbis harassed FR for linking to the photos of John Kerry seated near Jane Fonda (I am referring to the genuine color photo). They also bitched about the hoaxed photo composite parody made from 2 separate Corbis images.

The double standard is that leftist site Snopes.com hosted and continues to host all 4 images (the three Corbis images and the unapproved hoax image) on their own server. I even notified Corbis about this. I assume that Corbis contacted Snopes because the Snopes site was modified to acknowledge Corbis' copyright on the 3 images (although Corbis holds no such copyright on the hoaxed image and would be suspected to be unwilling to license such an image especially in light of the fact that they cannot license a composite that they did not create and therefore do not own). I also seriously doubt that Snopes is paying $150 an image like the Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry did to host the image on their site.

The media is coming down hard on conservatives and leaving a highly suspect double standard in treatment in their wake.

279 posted on 04/09/2004 2:10:52 AM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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To: Timesink; *CCRM; governsleastgovernsbest; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; ...
FYI, note the added sources also note the media blackout that is being applied to FR...

The "revived" public Media Schadenfreude and and Media Shenanigans lists:

Freepmail An Amused Spectator to get on/off this list.

280 posted on 04/09/2004 2:13:34 AM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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