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DeLay Calls for National Sales Tax
The Washington Times ^
| March 25, 2004
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Posted on 03/28/2004 5:56:36 PM PST by SamInTheBurgh
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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WASHINGTON, March 25 (UPI) -- In a preview of the GOP agenda after the fall election, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, says they are determined to repeal the federal income tax.
Long an advocate of a national sales tax, a confident DeLay told a conference of tax lobbyists Wednesday that House Republicans will have hearings and push the issue in 2005 and 2006.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: axixofevil; fair; fairtax; income; national; sales; tax; taxes; taxreform; tomdelay
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To: kevkrom
I am optimistic, it is the common sense of our leaders that we are relying on, which for me is scarry. I feel like we have been let down on certain issues, like the judicial nominees issue. Republican leadership needs to govern more aggressively, and challenge these democrats when they make their daily statement of idiocy. Every time I see or hear Tom Daschle, I think, somewhere out there to night is a village. That village is searching for its idiot, and there he is.
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posted on
03/29/2004 11:46:18 AM PST
by
ChevyZ28
(We can make the plans of our heart, but the final out come is in God's hands.)
To: MrB
First, repeal the 16th, and at the same time, pass an act clarifying that a direct tax on income is Unconstitutional. Then, let them worry about replacing it with something, NRST, etc. It won't work in that order. Congress will never make income taxes un-Constitutional until they already have a replacement system ready to go.
The NRST bill (HR 25, S 1493) does eliminate income, payroll, gift, and excise taxes (and removes those sections from USC 26). But it cannot by itself amend the Constitution. There is a companion bill, HJR 61, which calls for the following Amendment: "the sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is repealed, and the Congress shall have no power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, except in time of war declared by the Congress".
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posted on
03/29/2004 11:56:14 AM PST
by
kevkrom
(The John Kerry Songbook: www.imakrom.com/kerrysongs)
To: kevkrom
Congress shall have no power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, except in time of war declared by the Congress Since Congress is too lilly livered to declare war anymore...
we're pretty safe.
However, I can see a 'rat Congress declaring war just so they can raise taxes.
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posted on
03/29/2004 12:00:13 PM PST
by
MrB
To: MrB
If it were up to me, I'd have written the amendment as follows:
(Verbiage about start of enactment), the 16th Amendment shall be repealed and Congress shall have no power to tax incomes, gifts, or estates.
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posted on
03/29/2004 12:07:08 PM PST
by
kevkrom
(The John Kerry Songbook: www.imakrom.com/kerrysongs)
To: MrB
First, repeal the 16th, and at the same time, pass an act clarifying that a direct tax on income is Unconstitutional.
Then, let them worry about replacing it with something, NRST, etc.
That just another way of rooting for the status quo.
You are going to have to convince 2/3's of the House Critters, 2/3's of Senate critters, and 3/4's of the states besides to just dump one thing for nothing. Ain't gonna happen that way at all.
It hasn't happened with people trying to do it the backwards way in the 100+ year history of the modern income tax, it sure isn't going to happen that way now.
So what makes you think that'll be done without a replacement tax inplace?
The NRST repeals the statutes, put in a replacement system making the way for the amendment an achievable goal. It is the only way killing the income tax is going to happen.
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posted on
03/29/2004 12:44:26 PM PST
by
ancient_geezer
(Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
To: ancient_geezer
Fair Tax Bump!
To: ancient_geezer
I've heard of good plans that called for the 16th's repeal, with an effective date a few years after the repeal is ratified (sunsetting).
That gives the lawmakers some breathing space, but also a deadline.
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posted on
03/30/2004 5:19:50 AM PST
by
MrB
To: MrB
That's fine, as long as you can get 2/3's of both house and Senate to go along. In the mean time you are still saddled with the income tax.
Those kinds of proposals have been around for decades and have gone absolutely nowhere.
Seeing as the NRST at the very least totally removes all income payroll and gift/estate taxes up front, it provides the conditions necessary for an amendment to even have a chance by obsoleting those taxes and an impediment to the income tax/NRST/VAT scenario that does not exist today.
As things stand we already have the income & payroll taxes and legislative ,two proposals in the pipeline that I am aware of, for VATs. We had better be moving soon or we will be looking like the EU before many more sessions of Congress are out.
Back in 2000 they held hearings investigating what it would take to convert the Corporate income tax into a WTO compliant version of a VAT and most of that is already in in place, all that would take to complete the conversion is enactment of the flat tax, from there is tinkering below the radar screens.
The only legislation standing between EU style tax system and where we stand today it the NRST.
Now you can figure you can wait for better terms, but from what I can see, looking at the history of income tax reform over the last 100 years, I don't figure there is much chance or sense in repeating failing plans.
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03/30/2004 6:13:20 AM PST
by
ancient_geezer
(Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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