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Study: Humans, Neanderthals Did Not Mate
Discovery News ^ | 3-17-2004 | Larry O'Hanlon

Posted on 03/18/2004 12:47:13 PM PST by blam

Study: Humans, Neanderthals Did Not Mate

By Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News

Neanderthal vs. Human

March 17, 2004 — The verdict is in: humans and Neanderthals did not date — much.

Genetic evidence from Neanderthal and early human bones indicates that if there was any intermixing of the two species, it was so little that it left no genetic trace. The discovery was published in the current edition of PloS Biology.

"I thought this was an incredibly significant paper," said Stanford University anthropologist Richard Klein. "So much of the time in paleoanthropology and other 'softer' sciences the arguments seem to go on forever."

This work by a team of European scientists led by Svante Paabo finally brings some solid evidence into the matter, he said.

For years anthropologists have been debating whether humans, when they wandered north into Europe from Africa more then 30,000 years ago, might have interbred with Neanderthals who lived there, said Klein. The evidence, until now, was mostly restricted to the shape of fossil bones.

Now, by isolating the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) from four Neanderthals and five contemporary European early humans, the team has found no evidence of any noticeable genetic crossover.

Earlier attempts by Paabo's lab to extract intact genetic material from Neanderthal bones and comparing it to modern humans were inconclusive because of the difficulties of avoiding contaminating the samples with the genetic material of the lab workers who did the work, the researchers explain.

That's why this time they compared the mtDNA from Neanderthals to their contemporary humans — all of whom had mtDNA very different from modern humans.

That's not to say no mixing went on, the researcher cautioned. It would take a lot more samples from a larger number of fossils to rule out small amounts of mixing.

"About 50 early modern human remains would need to be studied to exclude a Neanderthal [sic] mtDNA contribution of ten percent," Paabo and his colleagues reported. "To exclude a five percent contribution, one would need to study more early modern human remains than have been discovered to date."

So the final word on how little the Neanderthals contributed to the modern human gene pool is that it's impossible to say.

For Klein's part, he suspects that humans and Neanderthals were just too different to find each other romantically interesting. "It's not that they couldn't, perhaps, but they probably weren't interested."

Early humans would have probably found Neanderthals very odd-looking and strange-acting, said Klein. So odd-looking, he said, that if you dressed a Neanderthal in a suit and put him on a subway, most people would probably move to another car.

The very prominent jaw and cheekbones, the large nose, as well as the swept-back forehead and low I.Q., would probably make a Neanderthal appear repulsive to most humans.


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KEYWORDS: anthropology; genetics; godsgravesglyphs; humans; mate; neandertal; neanderthals; not; study
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Thanks, I needed that.
41 posted on 03/18/2004 1:20:14 PM PST by taxesareforever
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Study: Humans, Neanderthals Did Not Mate

Perhaps they should've done some research in Texas.

42 posted on 03/18/2004 1:22:58 PM PST by geedee (Advice is seldom welcome, and those who need it the most, like it the least.)
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; Piltdown_Woman; RadioAstronomer; Ichneumon
Ping.
43 posted on 03/18/2004 1:23:55 PM PST by Junior (No animals were harmed in the making of this post)
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To: blam
Not only did they not mate, but additional studies have shown they did not mate on Mars, either.
44 posted on 03/18/2004 1:26:33 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (You get more with a gun and a smile than just a smile itself!)
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To: blam
the team has found no evidence of any noticeable genetic crossover.



I can't believe it took 45 posts for someone to prove this study wrong!
45 posted on 03/18/2004 1:28:01 PM PST by quantim (Victory must be absolute, it cannot be relative.)
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To: Junior; VadeRetro; longshadow
Too bad they're gone. They were Vade's last chance to get a date.
46 posted on 03/18/2004 1:32:17 PM PST by PatrickHenry (A compassionate evolutionist.)
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To: quantim
Thank you! I was beginning to think something was wrong with the creative spirit Freepers are famous for! I mean, two pics of Helen Thomas, we have more imaginative people than that! Thanks for proving it.

Now, for this foul comparison, you owe all Neanderthals and humans an apology! ;)

47 posted on 03/18/2004 1:32:30 PM PST by hunter112
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To: blam
if you dressed a Neanderthal in a suit and put him on a subway, most people would probably move to another car.

If they only had enough time before he opened his jacket and shouted Allahu akbar! and detonated himself.


48 posted on 03/18/2004 1:32:46 PM PST by Alouette (Proudly overpopulating the planet since 1972)
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To: dfwgator; null and void
The "Butts" sisters---Betty, Bertha, and Bathsheba
49 posted on 03/18/2004 1:32:57 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
You forgot Bella.
50 posted on 03/18/2004 1:35:42 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
One of them was Bertha.

Gotta have a woman. Gotta have a woman.

51 posted on 03/18/2004 1:37:52 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: blam
Humans and Neanderthals did not mate yet gays get married...
52 posted on 03/18/2004 1:38:19 PM PST by wtc911 (Doesn't matter if your head is in the sand or up your a**, the view is the same.)
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To: blam
Early humans would have probably found Neanderthals very odd-looking and strange-acting, said Klein. So odd-looking, he said, that if you dressed a Neanderthal in a suit and put him on a subway, most people would probably move to another car.

Actually the real reason was that the Neanderthals' wheeled tents attracted tornadoes.

53 posted on 03/18/2004 1:38:19 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: null and void
I thought the cranial capacity of the Neanderthal was slightly larger than the contemporary Cro Magnon.
54 posted on 03/18/2004 1:39:51 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: dfwgator
You forgot Bella.

Lugosi or Abzug?

55 posted on 03/18/2004 1:40:37 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never let your life be directed by people who could only get government jobs.)
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To: capitan_refugio
Hmmm. Darned if I know

Another beautiful theory ruined by ugly facts...
56 posted on 03/18/2004 1:41:31 PM PST by null and void (If voting really changed anything it would be illegal...)
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To: Asclepius
I once read that Neanderthal bones were found burned and cracked open. Humans may have eatten them! It could be the first genocide---Kill all who look different--don't just kill them but eat them too!
57 posted on 03/18/2004 1:42:12 PM PST by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: blam
Interesting post.

"The very prominent jaw and cheekbones, the large nose, as well as the swept-back forehead and low I.Q., would probably make a Neanderthal appear repulsive to most humans."

One of the real diagnostic features of the Neandertahl skull is the lack of a prominent chin. One of the diagnostic features of a Democrat is the lack of a backbone, otherwise the description fits.

58 posted on 03/18/2004 1:44:04 PM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Asclepius
The very prominent jaw and cheekbones, the large nose, as well as the swept-back forehead and low I.Q., would probably make a Neanderthal appear repulsive to most humans.

Where do they get this garbage? Neanderthal had a larger cranial capacity than his "human" cousins; he had brow ridges and lacked a chin. He had advanced tool-making capabilities (including the bow) and ceremonially buried his dead.

59 posted on 03/18/2004 1:45:14 PM PST by Agnes Heep
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To: Agnes Heep
re: Neanderthal had a larger cranial capacity than his "human" cousins; he had brow ridges and lacked a chin. He had advanced tool-making capabilities (including the bow) and ceremonially buried his dead.)))

And his sonnets--were they Shakespearean or Italian?

60 posted on 03/18/2004 1:55:10 PM PST by Mamzelle
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