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Ferret: why I'm alarmed by FR & will never post here ever again (except for my 9 replies & counting)
Originally posted elsewhere ^ | 2004-03-08 | Michael Joseph McCarthy

Posted on 03/16/2004 4:38:03 AM PST by bicycle thug

Edited on 03/16/2004 5:17:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Mod update: To put this "opus" in perspective, some additional information compliments of a thorough FReeper, dighton.

From a Kerry in 2004 Meetup page, via google cache:

bicyclethug (Eugene, OR)

I am Michael Joseph McCarthy, well known forest activist in Eugene, Oregon who ran against Scott Meisner for City Council last election. I am a Member of the Pacific Green Party who wants this scoundrel in office now thrown out.

72 posted on 03/16/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by dighton


Begin "opus":

Fascism in Free Republic manifests itself as extreme ideology that celebrates themselves as solely representing the nation as an organic community transcending all other loyalties. It emphasizes a myth of national rebirth after a period of decline or destruction. Liberalism is the prime keyword to represent the "problem" group causing the "decay and disruption of "proper" American life.

The FR reminds me of the typical fascist call for a "spiritual revolution" against signs of moral decay such as individualism and materialism, and calls to purge "alien" forces and groups that threaten the organic community. Fascism tends to celebrate masculinity, mystical unity, and the regenerative power of violence. Often, but not always, it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries. Usually fascism espouses open male supremacy, though sometimes it may also promote female solidarity and new opportunities for women of the privileged nation or race.

FR's call to purge Liberalism and to install a conservative only lifestyle in these United States is not realistic under the auspices of the U.S. Constitution which is designed for all groups of all types and classes to be protected from the domination and authority of the dominant group.

The FR calls for the establishment of a dominant group - their brand of Conservatives - that keeps all the others in line including conservatives "who don't think right on various topics. The virtual community has degenerated into a witch hunt for any and all "untrue thinkers," who must be purged at all costs.

FR's approach to politics is both populist--in that it seeks to activate "the people" as a whole against perceived oppressors or enemies - and elitist - in that it treats the people's will as embodied in a select group, or often one prime iconic leader whose authority flows downward only. FR, in typical Fascist style seeks to organize a cadre-led mass movement in a drive to seize state power. It seeks to forcibly subordinate all spheres of society to its ideological vision of what a community is, and the end result of their game is totalitarianism, pure and simple.

Both as a movement and a regime, fascism uses mass organizations as a system of integration and control, and uses organized violence to suppress opposition, although the scale of violence varies widely. FReepers unethically disrupts polls, hacks and disrupts other sites, and uses real or perceived disruption by others of their site as a rallying point to drive home a wedge between them and any group not belonging to the FReeper movement to reshape America.

Fascism is hostile to Marxism, liberalism, and even true conservatism, yet it borrows concepts and practices from all three. Jim Rob's blend of conservatism and use as advocacy of George W. Bush to insure that the right thinkers who know how to follow orders stay on board builds an obedience and cohesion to central authority. He wishes to create an entity that can influence people like Bush to fall into sync with his goals by offering an effective vehicle to mobilize and control people on the grass roots level as he has proved to people like the President that he indeed can do things like galvanize and grow the Klamath water rights for farmers issue.

JimRob is shrewd, he wishes to influence those in higher office and at the same time remold the electorate into a cohesive force that can roll over any group that gets in it's way in a very unconstitutional fashion.

The FR exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic (or in the Free Republic's case the classic homosexual wedge issue) scapegoating or radical- sounding conspiracy theories. They reject the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power.

Its vision of a "new order" clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, and much like fascism, they often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth.

Fascism always has had a complex relationship with established elites and the non-fascist right much like the FR does. It strives to be not a mere puppet of the ruling class, but an autonomous movement with its own social base. In practice, they defend capitalism against instability and the left, but also they pursue an agenda that sometimes clashes with capitalist interests in significant ways.

I have watched and studied the FR with going horror as this culture has grown more malignant and horrifying over the years. Any and all peoples and nations are vulnerable to the disease of fascism, and thought I am sure JimRob and company started with the best of intentions, over the years they have cognitively grown more hostile and unreasonable to anyone not of an elite brand of FReeper. The road to fascism is so incremental it sneaks in and decades later people always wonder how the heck it happened. And it is happening at that particular virtual community, make no mistake about it.

I have always wanted to see the FR grow up. Journalism in these United States was reactionary and lacked accountability in the early years of our nation and as it evolved it was forced to grow up. I want the FR to flourish and to grow up ethically and responsibly, with a measure of respect and empathy for those other groups that blend with them to form our great nation.

But it hasn't, and it has grown into an entity quite alarming. If FReepers care and act now, they can take back a precious jewel of a forum bought and paid for by them that fills an important need in their lives.

If this doesn't happen, we will crush the FR and remove it like a malignant tumor before it destroys what we collectively hold dear; The United States of America as we know it with our Constitution as is works now with it's checks and balances there to prevent Fascist and totalitarian entities from taking us and the world on the road to incredible destruction and human misery.

. This is a critically important topic, and people have leadership and intuitive skills that can either debunk me, or develop tools to reform FR and make it responsible and ethical as it should be. I don't hate and nurse disdain for the Free Republic, I deeply care and want the best for FReepers. And it hurts deeply and horribly to articulate my thoughts and fears here, as FReepers are indeed special people who do not deserve to be used, and to have bad things happen to them, or to be manipulated to cause bad things to happen to others.

Peace, and respect to all.


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To: Neets
>>Meaning I can't and won't be held responsible, nor share in the guilt when people don't or can't deal in the "real world"...we are all adults...I understand your good intentions Mom, but again, it is the individuals responsibility.<<

Well actually, we are on the same page if you read my original post. I am saying that if this man is taking this to heart, he needs to get back to reality.

I have been onto LP twice. I don't go there because people are just a little too rude for me. See the point, I don't go there. This poster came here with an opus as a gigantic attention getter. He is taking it all too seriously. Honestly, if I took everything that FReepers said to me personally, I would be in a ball in the corner. Geez, all of us are snide and snippy from time to time.

It's not a poster's fault if someone is hurt by a forum. But it is the fault of the person reading if he keeps coming back when he is hurt.



301 posted on 03/16/2004 7:27:02 AM PST by netmilsmom (Jonathansmommie's daughter was born 3-11-04, God Bless her!)
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To: bicycle thug
Ho freaking HUM.
302 posted on 03/16/2004 7:29:32 AM PST by redhead (You can’t "out mother" your mother. Don’t even try.)
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To: glock rocks
OMG I have to go change panties now
303 posted on 03/16/2004 7:33:50 AM PST by txhurl (that is hysterical)
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To: netmilsmom
Got ya toots!!
304 posted on 03/16/2004 7:36:08 AM PST by Neets (“I now know Him in a more personal way that I have. It is as it was " Jim Caviezel)
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To: bicycle thug
Hey Mike ~ you're losing it ~ we are at war!

We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, tree huggin' root suckers, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

305 posted on 03/16/2004 7:46:16 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: bicycle thug
The first paragraph was too heavy for me -------nay --- make that the first sentence.
306 posted on 03/16/2004 7:52:33 AM PST by Exit148
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To: trickyricky
Homosexuality isn't a wedge issue, it's a sin issue.

It IS that but even larger, it's a survival issue.
If we all become homosexual - who propogates the human race?

307 posted on 03/16/2004 8:07:53 AM PST by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: hellinahandcart
...green party...bicyle thug...ferret...Michael Joseph McCarthy...whatever...

If 'tricycle' thug is so smart, why hasn't he/she/it discovered the "Green Party" is nothing more than the "American Socialist Party" renamed?

Or has he/she/it?

308 posted on 03/16/2004 8:19:37 AM PST by Budge (<>< . ')
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To: Budge
The Green Party is way beyond socialist, and in answer to your question, I don't think many Greenies have really bothered to read their own platforms. Their eyes glaze over after they get past "free stuff" and "green grass".
309 posted on 03/16/2004 8:26:25 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: bicycle thug

310 posted on 03/16/2004 8:30:05 AM PST by BaBaStooey
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To: Lead Moderator; bicycle thug
showing everyone your true colors. It seems that most everyone but Laz has seen through your bull.

I've never been known for my smarts, just my stunning good looks. :o)

No, seriously, I've had a lot of email exchanges with ferret, and almost all of them have had the underlying premise that he respects, admires, and hopes for the success of FR. He's said he always wants a counterweight to the excesses of the left, and has claimed to be a moderating influence on the lefty groups to which he's belonged. Is it all performance art, for the last 4 years? Maybe, I'm willing to consider that.

However, and I mean this seriously, there is some disjointed and contradictory themes in his message here, and in other ones lately. I suspect external forces are pressuring him. I don't have any idea what they would be, but it's not QUITE the same guy who's been posting to me for so long. The difference is subtle, but it's there.

Maybe I'm a fool. I'm always willing to entertain that idea. It actually satisfies a lot of Occhams Razor about a lot of things. But I do believe he's sincere. I'll check my premise, though. It's always wise to do that.

311 posted on 03/16/2004 8:36:39 AM PST by Lazamataz (How to turn a 'Basher into a 'Bot: LET THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN SUNSET!!!!)
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To: bicycle thug
Go hug your damn trees, and it's your own business. Try to make US hug 'em, or pay for your hugging, that's OUR business.

And, we all know that when you say "green" you really mean watermelon; green outside, red all the way through!

Bye!
312 posted on 03/16/2004 8:43:21 AM PST by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: Budge
Green is Socialist? No way.

The best way to keep in mind what Greens are is to think of them as Watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside. They are nothing more than a Communist front party, useful to them because it shares the same hyper-anti-capitalist agenda.

Qwinn
313 posted on 03/16/2004 8:44:01 AM PST by Qwinn
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To: bicycle thug
we will crush the FR

AND ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US. HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR

The big question of course is how did a Green Party weenie post so long undetected.

314 posted on 03/16/2004 8:45:00 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: bicycle thug
You better hope that the patriots at FreeRepublic prevail, buddy, because if America is lost to liberalism and anarchy, eventually a REAL 'Napoleon' will arise, and he won't be so kind to your kind as we have been.

You can look it up. Every historical empire's downfall leads to anarchy, out of which eventually a dictator arises to restore order. And the mushy-headed libs like Ferret above are the first ones to go to the firing squads after that happens.

Liberals are like a CANCER on the body of the nation. They're success spells the nation's (and ultimately their own) doom, yet like cancer cells they are oblivious to the ultimate outcome, and keep growing and reproducing in a frothed-mouth frenzy of rule-breaking and destruction.
315 posted on 03/16/2004 8:48:09 AM PST by Al Simmons (Proud BushBot since '94!)
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To: bicycle thug
Buddy, one more comment. From your name I can tell that your parents were patriotic Americans. Too bad their son turned out to be the 'bad apple' in the family.
316 posted on 03/16/2004 8:49:13 AM PST by Al Simmons (Proud BushBot since '94!)
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To: bicycle thug
"FR's call to purge Liberalism and to install a conservative only lifestyle in these United States is not realistic under the auspices of the U.S. Constitution which is designed for all groups of all types and classes to be protected from the domination and authority of the dominant group."

HUH??

Are you saying FR ought to get-the-hell-outta-the way of the oncoming tidal wave of a liberal culture's vision of moral relativism, "sense-of-fairness," and world-view?

Then the fact of matter is YOU support and advocate not only either totalitarianism and anarchy, but the obliteration of common sense.

317 posted on 03/16/2004 8:51:15 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: bicycle thug
I dare you to zot this one, my bet is that you don't have the nerve to. ;-)

Heh-heh-heh. Someone hear a ZOT!

318 posted on 03/16/2004 8:54:00 AM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: Lazamataz
I don't have any idea what they would be, but it's not QUITE the same guy who's been posting to me for so long. The difference is subtle, but it's there.

Pod person. Don't fall asleep.

319 posted on 03/16/2004 8:54:27 AM PST by js1138
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To: bicycle thug
LEFTIST TROLL!

I feel better now.

320 posted on 03/16/2004 8:54:36 AM PST by FierceDraka (Service and Glory!)
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