Blame whom? (A precise damnation of Spain, Greece, and other European appeasers)

Victorhanson.Com ^ | March 14, 2004, 10:00 p.m. | Victor Davis Hanson

[NZerFromHK]

Let me get this straight. Two-and-a-half years after September 11, on a similar eleventh day of the month, 911 days following 9-11, and on the eve of Spanish elections, Al Qaeda or its epigones blows up 200 and wounds 1,400 Spaniards. This horrific attack follows chaotic months when Turks were similarly butchered (who opposed the Iraq War), Saudis were targeted (who opposed the Iraqi war), Moroccans were blown apart (who opposed the Iraqi war) and French periodically threatened (who opposed the Iraqi War).

[rrrod]

i have the same feeling concerning the olympics..i would never trust any euroscum with the safety of our athletes.

[PogySailor]

VDH bump!

[Dane]

I've posted this before and will post again - SPAIN SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO SENT THEIR TOKEN FORCE TO IRAQ!! Al Queda was given an easy means to exploit against Spain and for what? So Bush and Powell could have a talking point? Good going guys! Now we've lost a staunch ally in the WOT

Yeah I know you will post it over and over again since you are Buchannite Bush hater.

Did it ever occur to you that Anzar thought he was doing the right thing in fighting terror and damn the consequences.

He didn't want to go the appeasment route promoted by socialists and Buchananites.

[metesky]

1. Those already turned Terrorists are not rational. They must be tracked down and thrown into prison killed. They also won't care much over troop-removals or Government-changes, they'll keep on with their program.

Fixed it for ya.
;O)

Welcome to Free Republic.

[dfwgator]

They must be tracked down and thrown into prison.

Prison? They must be destroyed. Throw them into prison and they can eventually be used as a negotiating tool to have them released when other terrorists take hostages.

[NZerFromHK]

e.g. solving the mideast-conflict, giving Arabs a better perspective on life in their countries (a full belly is less aggressive), acting with justice against those involved in criminal acts. Winning the war on the propaganda-front is just as important as the one on law-enforcement. Hang on, doesn't it read a lot like the Bush doctrine? :p

[rrrod]

buchannites are beneath contempt..hard to say which group is worse..buchannites or the RATS...or are they the same?

[AntiGuv]

Europe is fast becoming an Islamic continent.

Spain is only 1.2% Muslim..

[NZerFromHK]

Love that. You tried the law enforcement option for many years: it didn't work: WTC bombing in 1993 begot 1998 Kenya and Tanzania US embassies bombings, which begot USS Cole attacks in 2000, which in turn begot 9/11. If this doesn't work, why hold to it?

[MJY1288]

"I've posted this before and will post again - SPAIN SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO SENT THEIR TOKEN FORCE TO IRAQ!! Al Queda was given an easy means to exploit against Spain and for what? So Bush and Powell could have a talking point? Good going guys! Now we've lost a staunch ally in the WOT"

Get a grip, your own blind hatred is showing

[FreedomPoster]

>>Where do Europeans GET this "lie-down-roll-over-and-die" mentality when dealing with these savage Islamic curs?

One thing is certain, it isn't new. Jefferson attempted to form an international coalition to deal with the Barbary Pirates. He failed, Europeans found it cheaper to pay tribute than deal with the problem. Jefferson acted "unilaterally" (to use the modern term) and dealt with the issue.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[KangarooJacqui]

Europe is fast becoming an Islamic continent...What we see now is the first domino to fall. We must come to grips with the fact that it won't be the last.

Well, I don't CARE if Australia has the biggest Islamic country in the world breathing down its northern neck... we don't and won't stand for that kind of "Religion of Peace" rubbish here.

[longjack]

Grüße

This was in "Spiegel" today, in the article that summarizes the European press reactions to major events, in this case the Spanish elections.

Below a reaction from Warsaw, in my translation:

"Gazeta Wyborcza" Warsaw: "We can all judge the way, in which America reacted to September 11th in different ways, we can discuss if the engagements in Afghanistan and in Iraq made sense. First, however, especially after March 11th, we all must understand that we, like the Americans, have a dangerous, fanatical enemy: People who hate our entire world, who blame western democracies for all evils. And, in the name of their paranoid convictions are ready to kill - the bankers in Manhattan and seven month old Patricia from Poland in Madrid. We, Europeans und Americans, have to stop this enemy.

"Spiegel"....PRESSESTIMMEN

Unfortunately, I don't share your belief that Germany will react to an attack as I think Poland will. The 'Weißbrot Generation' is too entrenched, IMHO. Haven't heard any Schröder reaction t the Madrid event. What's the street reaction, in your opinion?

longjack

[NZerFromHK]

I remember that piracy was once used by European nation states in the late 16th century to early 18th century as a tool to drain gold, spices, sugar, and other valuable goods fro trading ships of rival states. Even England (and late Britain) used this tactics as well. The pirates were formally appointed military ranks (in secret) and they carried out raids on states' directions. Some later turned "real" pirates when they retired from state service.

[Berliner Baer]

The law-enforcement option is the only one to pursue with determination.

What good would military do if used now in Spain domestically?

Those terrorists often live in our midst and know our culture. Doesn'T that thousands of people to terrorize entire nations these days. Placing tanks in front of subway-stations won't help.

And no, invading Iraq wasn't a big step either in the fight against terrorism: It might have even opened up a Pandora's box for the radical Muslims to gain power (I will hopefully be proven wrong there)

[CasearianDaoist]

How are they a staunch ally? It seems that this is patently not the case. If they did not commit resources how else were they to help us? And if they helped us some other way why would they not be attacked?

The truth is that the propaganda machine of the left in the EU has no competitors - this is how socialism has maintianed its grip in Europe for 50 years. There has been a constant shrieking of anti-american propaganda for 3 years. If you throw on to of that the immense panic among the "Euro superstatists" and the pressure France is putting on Spain, Italy, the UK and Poland, is this out come really beyond expectations? There is an overwhelming desire among the leftist elites to see the US fail at anything it does. They quite literally want to replace us.

It is unfortunate but not unexpected. It may be that Aznar catered too much to the left the last year rather than adamantly stood his ground - he may have some resonsiblity for his party's defeat, don't you think? He handed the media battle for what little "swing votes" there was over to the left. And how was Spain's involvement in Iraq a "talking point," was not it necessary to try to "contain" to French? Why do you assume that because their contribution was not crucial in a tactical sense it did not play a role in the strategic sense, particularly in exposing the lie that France spoke for Europe? And are you implying that Axnar is not an independent actor here steering as best he could a course for his own nation?

Why is this event so earth shattering? It was almost certain that the left would make some gains somewhere in the EU after Iraq. It is hardly a landslide. Will it really save the SDS in Germany?

Sounds like your support for the President and this war is a tepid as the Spaniards.

[CatoRenasci]

Your notion that the Terrorists can be successfully dealt with by catching them and tossing them into jail, and by merely superior propaganda, would be charmingly naiive if it were not such a deadly error.

Your views are reminiscent of Bismark's contempt for the British in 1864 when he was asked what he would do if the British landed troops on the Frisian coast in support of the Danes: "I'd send the police to arrest them." Only problem is Germany lacks both the might and the will to even protect itself. At least in 1864, Prussia had an army.

You Europeans are so decadent and jaded, burnt out cases if you will, that you refuse to recognize we are in a WAR for civilization. Or, if you do, you are such scum that you want to sit back and let the Romans, I mean the Americans, fight it. And then you wonder why we hold you in such contempt! Your ancestors are probably spinning in their graves.

Well, at least the Poles are with us. You Germans may laugh, but the Austrians didn't laugh when the Poles raised the second Turkish siege of Vienna. You owe the Poles Europe's liberty from Islam, and you thanked them 100 years later by chopping up Poland among Prussia, Russia, and the ever-greatful Habsburg empire. Wonderful.

[dfwgator]

Jeszcze Polska Nie Zginela! God Bless Poland. They understand what tyranny imposed from the outside is.

[dfwgator]

Ping.

[NZerFromHK]

VDH new article ping! (And it seems we have some European friends finally noticing VDH here)