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UK: While digging in backyard man unearths hoard of 20,000 Roman coins.
BBC On-Line ^ | Thursday, 11 March, 2004 | staff writer

Posted on 03/11/2004 9:12:07 AM PST by yankeedame

Last Updated: Thursday, 11 March, 2004, 11:45 GMT

Roman treasure found in pond dig


The coins are thought to date from the 4th century

A man unearthed a priceless hoard of 20,000 Roman coins as he dug a new fishpond in his back garden. Experts say the money may date from the 4th Century and could be the biggest find of its kind in Britain.

The coins were crammed into a ceramic pot which broke up as it was dug out of the ground at Thornbury, Gloucestershire.

Now a coroner must decide if Ken Allen, who made the discovery, can keep the treasure.

Gail Boyle, from Bristol Museum, said: "This is the most amazing find of treasure to come out of this area for 30 years."

Mr Allen said: "It was a great surprise and at first I didn't realise what we had found.

"The pot was perfectly upright, I can't believe that this discovery was only 20ft from our house."


"I can't believe that this discovery was only 20ft from our house,"- Ken Allen

Kurt Adams, the Finds Liaison Officer for Gloucestershire and Avon, said: "The coins identified so far can be attributed to Constantine the Great.

"The mint marks - a letter or symbol used to indicate the mint which produced the coin - suggest Trier, Germany and Constantinople as possible places of origin."

Treasure trove

The coins are in the care of Bristol City Museum & Art Gallery where they are being cleaned in a special laboratory.

They will then be taken to the British Museum in London for further examination.

A spokeswoman for Bristol Coroner's Court said that even though the coins were found on Mr Allen's property they could still be ruled as being property of the state.

"What determines this is if the coins were buried there intentionally or lost.

"It is possible somebody put them there and forgot about them, or never intended for them to be found.

"The coroner can rule whether they are the finder's treasure or not."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ancientrome; archeology; artifacts; coins; england; epigraphyandlanguage; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; privateproperty; propertyofthestate; propertyrights; romancoins; romanempire; treasure; uk
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1 posted on 03/11/2004 9:12:07 AM PST by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
There is alot of history in Britian. It took the Athens subway about 20 years to go 3 miles - every 10 feet they had to stop and investigate all the artificats that were found...
2 posted on 03/11/2004 9:14:19 AM PST by 2banana
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To: yankeedame
Amazing that these things are still being unearthed!

Roma Victa!
3 posted on 03/11/2004 9:16:50 AM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: yankeedame
The coins were deliberately buried when Roman governor Franklinus Delanus Rooseveltus ordered the confiscation of all coins of precious metal in order to replace them with notes from the Bancus Brittanorum.
4 posted on 03/11/2004 9:17:10 AM PST by Publius (Die Erde ist gewaltig schön, doch sicher ist sie nicht.)
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To: yankeedame
"Now a coroner must decide if Ken Allen, who made the discovery, can keep the treasure."

Fat chance, Ken.

5 posted on 03/11/2004 9:17:10 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: yankeedame
A spokeswoman for Bristol Coroner's Court said that even though the coins were found on Mr Allen's property they could still be ruled as being property of the state.

"What determines this is if the coins were buried there intentionally or lost.

The intentions of the 4th century owner would be impossible to determine, therefore they belong to the state.

Everything rightfully belongs to the state.

6 posted on 03/11/2004 9:17:27 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: yankeedame
"It is possible somebody put them there and forgot about them..."

Put an advert in the lost and found column of the daily newspaper. If "he" doesn't come around to claim them, then he certainly has forgotten about them.

7 posted on 03/11/2004 9:17:46 AM PST by weegee ('...Kerry is like that or so a crack sausage.')
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To: blam
ping!
8 posted on 03/11/2004 9:18:25 AM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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To: yankeedame
Since England would have been a part of the Roman Empire, to which "State" should the coins go? Back to Rome? Or to the British Museum?
9 posted on 03/11/2004 9:19:56 AM PST by weegee ('...Kerry is like that or so a crack sausage.')
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To: yankeedame
They should let him keep it. What crap!!
11 posted on 03/11/2004 9:20:40 AM PST by international american
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To: yankeedame
Read later.
12 posted on 03/11/2004 9:21:14 AM PST by EagleMamaMT
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To: yankeedame
quick...buy stock in British metal detectors. The craze will be re-ignited.
13 posted on 03/11/2004 9:21:47 AM PST by Mark Felton (Antiestablishedpartymentarianist)
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To: 2banana
There is alot of history in Britian. It took the Athens subway about 20 years to go 3 miles - every 10 feet they had to stop and investigate all the artificats that were found...

This is every treasure hunter's dream! Incidentally, it took Boston 14 years and 15 billion dollars to go 2 miles underground - but that has nothing to do with artifacts.

15 posted on 03/11/2004 9:24:57 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: weegee
***""It is possible somebody put them there and forgot about them..."***


It's more likely that someone hid them before getting whacked.

They belong to the finder. They aren't English coins. The Roman empire no longer exists. The answer can't be more obvious to me.
16 posted on 03/11/2004 9:25:19 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: 2banana
"they could still be ruled as being property of the state."

They will.

"It is possible somebody put them there and forgot about them, or never intended for them to be found."

Or never intended them to be found and died before they recovered them?

"The coroner can rule whether they are the finder's treasure or not."

Shucks, I can just see a "public" servant ruling in favor of the "public". He should have told nobody and sold them one at a time. The very fact that they were buried in the ground means that the depositer "never intended for them to be found".

"What determines this is if the coins were buried there intentionally or lost".

When coins get "lost" they usually find a pot and plant themselves in the ground.

Interesting. If I ever find anthing of value, the last thing that I will do is tell my government. The would claim first "dibs" and all I would be left with is the broken pottery.

Blessings, Bobo
17 posted on 03/11/2004 9:26:10 AM PST by bobo1
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To: cannothave2masters
A coroner? What is the basis of his legal authority and mandate? We're not talking about cause of death here.
19 posted on 03/11/2004 9:26:20 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: yankeedame
"It is possible somebody put them there and forgot about them, or never intended for them to be found.

You can't make this stuff and satire is over.

20 posted on 03/11/2004 9:26:52 AM PST by don-o
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