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The Bible and Homosexuality
WND.com ^ | 03-11-04 | Farah, Joseph

Posted on 03/11/2004 5:53:16 AM PST by Theodore R.

The Bible and homosexuality

Posted: March 11, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Sen. John Kerry suggested to an audience in Mississippi recently that the Bible is ambiguous on the topic of homosexuality.

"Well, I know the deep beliefs, I respect, I'm a Christian, I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways," he said. "I'm not here to argue that with you."

Well, I'm here to argue with Kerry. The Bible is clear on homosexuality – Old Testament and New Testament: Homosexuality is an abomination.

Kerry may not believe it. You may not believe it. But the Bible states it clearly and unambiguously. And, despite what Kerry says, there are no "clauses" that suggest anything else.

Here's a brief Bible study for the man who would be president.

It begins in Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

That seems pretty clear to me. Maybe Kerry has another interpretation. The chapter goes on to state that people who commit these acts, and others God considers abominations, causes the land itself to be defiled.

Then, in the New Testament, Paul writes in Romans 1:22-27:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

I'm still waiting for any Bible student to show me even one verse that suggests a more "tolerant" view of homosexuality.

Generally speaking, the best they can do is to suggest Jesus Himself never spoke out against homosexuality.

There are two problems with that statement:

First, Christians believe Jesus came not to overturn the law but to fulfill it. They believe He is the Word – its living fulfillment. They believe He is eternal and part of the Godhead that created the Heavens, the Earth and Man. Therefore, Jesus never contradicted any of the law. He quoted from it. He taught from it. He explained it. He affirmed it.

Second, Jesus did speak out, as recorded in Matthew 19:4-6:

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Here Jesus had an opportunity to explain any middle ground in this issue of men and women. As if to underscore the point, he did later provide something of an exemption for eunuchs – men who do not have testicles. But he doesn't suggest God made homosexuals, lesbians, transgendereds, transvestites or bisexuals.

Kerry likes to be on both sides of all the issues. But that's difficult when it comes to God's unambiguous Word on relations between men and women. Maybe Kerry can let the American people in on which "clauses" he's found in the Bible that would justify homosexuality as anything other than an abomination.

You can choose to believe the Bible. You can choose to disbelieve it. But you cannot say it says something it does not say.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: abomination; bible; democrat; farah; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; jesus; kerry; kerryandgod; leviticus; newtestament; oldtestament; president; prisoners
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To: WKB
Yes indeed - "Lightnin' WKB"!
21 posted on 03/11/2004 6:26:18 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Theodore R.
Sounds like Ketchup Boy has been attending the Howard Brush Dean School of Theology.
22 posted on 03/11/2004 6:30:48 AM PST by GulliverSwift (Keep the <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/">gigolo</a> out of the White House!)
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To: Agnes Heep
Receiving in themselves that recompence of their error." Sounds a lot like HIV.


The NIV says it this way.

Rom. 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
23 posted on 03/11/2004 6:35:44 AM PST by WKB (3!~ Term Limits: Because politicians are like diapers., need to be changed for the same reason.)
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To: trebb
Some gays are convinced there's " a story in the Bible about two women who marry each other." No, I am not making that up. They have a garbled memory of the Naomi-Ruth story : Because the "Whither thou goest..." speech has been recited at some marriage ceremonies, they think that it's ALWAY'S been used to "ratify" a sexual bond...Ergo, Naomi and Ruth marry each other. In actuality, of course, sex between inlaws is also forbidden in the Bible; the Bible specifies between a daughter-in-law and father-in-law, but there's no reason to doubt that DIL/MIL sex would be considered as much as an abomination-and of course, they totally miss that one of the "women who marry each other" is married to a man a few chapters later.
24 posted on 03/11/2004 7:03:58 AM PST by kaylar
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To: little jeremiah
Ping


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


The Stamp of Normality

25 posted on 03/11/2004 7:07:31 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: chatham
Well, millions of women have died in childbirth, too.

Is that a statement?
26 posted on 03/11/2004 7:18:06 AM PST by John H K
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping - Hmmm, there's clauses in the Bible that "go both ways" - ????

I guess he means that some places in the Bible say that people who perform same sex sodomy should be killed, and other places don't say they should be killed.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
27 posted on 03/11/2004 8:06:45 AM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: familyofman
The traditional scriptures of Hinduism also state that same sex acts are an abomination and offense and should be punished severely.
28 posted on 03/11/2004 8:09:21 AM PST by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Theodore R.
Then, in the New Testament, Paul writes in Romans 1:22-27:

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

"Vile Affections" are a curse...upon those who have changed the word of God into a lie....who worship the creature more than the creator...(not just instead of the Creator...)

Homosexuality is a "Vile Affection"...and a curse from God...who has given them over to reprobate minds...which of course the homosexuals are trying to argue are "normal affections" Their goal is not to have the curse lifted from their lives...but to change the moral constitution of a nation...to turn it upside down and backwards in order to rationalize justify and normalize the "Vile Affections" God has cursed them with...

They want God to change His nature...and since He wont....they want to change society make it over in their own image...and man as well....

29 posted on 03/11/2004 8:25:09 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Theodore R.
AMEN!!!
30 posted on 03/11/2004 8:25:35 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Judging is not a sin, telling someone one something is a sin (Judging) is not a sin. Jesus made judgments all the time and he was without sin! The early saints also made judgments, we are made in the image of God who is the supreme judge.

Unrighteous judgment is a sin! as us unrighteous hatred. What do you do with a group who not only sins (there business) but thinks its OK (their business) and want me to think it ok (my business) and will teach it in the schools (our business) to do so?

31 posted on 03/11/2004 8:29:04 AM PST by N3WBI3
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To: Theodore R.
Collection of links on homosexuality and the Bible
32 posted on 03/11/2004 8:39:52 AM PST by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: WKB
Thanks for the ping.

Kerry should stick to topics with which he's familiar.
The Bible and Mississippi are not two of those.
33 posted on 03/11/2004 10:07:52 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (President Bush is a mensch in cowboy boots.)
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Yes. Homosexuality is a sin. So is judging. So is hatred.

God judges. God hates. God does not sin.

34 posted on 03/11/2004 12:43:56 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Oh, so I guess we should be welcoming and accepting to everyone's devices, desires, and sick behavior. Should we not speak and defend God's laws? Or just sit back and be afraid to confront disgusting behavior?

Living in 2004, no holes barred.

35 posted on 03/11/2004 12:53:31 PM PST by New Perspective (Proud father of a 2 month old son with Down's)
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Oh, so I guess we should be welcoming and accepting to everyone's devices, desires, and sick behavior. Should we not speak and defend God's laws? Or just sit back and be afraid to confront disgusting behavior?

Living in 2004, no holes barred.

36 posted on 03/11/2004 12:54:23 PM PST by New Perspective (Proud father of a 2 month old son with Down's)
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To: John H K
Yes it is . But they died from complications of childbirth.
Homosexuals could avoid their own death by making better choices in their lives.

37 posted on 03/11/2004 2:09:35 PM PST by chatham
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To: John H K
Yes it is . But they died from complications of childbirth.
Homosexuals could avoid their own death by making better choices in their lives.

38 posted on 03/11/2004 2:09:36 PM PST by chatham
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To: Theodore R.
Ping for enlightenment.
39 posted on 03/11/2004 3:56:48 PM PST by Willing To Listen
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To: nonsporting
"God judges. God hates. God does not sin."


Seems like he is best qualified for the job.
40 posted on 03/11/2004 5:32:39 PM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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