Antarctica 'Lost World' Found

Netscape News ^ | March 7, 2004

[pepsi_junkie]

Two teams of researchers, working separately thousands of miles from each other but both defeating incredible odds, have made stunning finds in frozen Antarctica -- so stunning that the National Science Foundation calls their discoveries evidence of a lost world.

The researchers found what they believe to be the fossilized remains of two species of dinosaurs previously unknown to science. One is a 70-million-year old quick-moving meat-eater found on the bottom of an Antarctic sea, while and the other is a 200-million-year-old giant plant-eater that was found on the top of a mountain, reports Reuters.

The lost world in which these two dinosaurs lived was very different from the Antarctica we know now. Their Antarctica was not frigid and frozen. Their Antarctica was warm and wet.

The 70-million-year-old carnivore was small for a dinosaur at just 6 to 8 feet tall. Scientists believe it is an entirely new species of carnivorous dinosaur that is related to the enormous meat-eating tyrannosaurs and the equally voracious, but smaller and swifter, velociraptors. Think "Jurassic Park." Now scream in terror! Found on James Ross Island off the coast of the Antarctic Peninsula by a team led by Judd Case from St. Mary's College of California, it likely floated out to sea after it died and then sank to the bottom of the Weddell Sea. Reuters explains that its bones and teeth show that it was a two-legged animal that survived in the Antarctic long after other predators took over elsewhere on the globe. "One of the surprising things is that animals with these more primitive characteristics generally haven't survived as long elsewhere as they have in Antarctica," Case told Reuters.

The 200-million-year-old herbivore, a primitive sauropod that had a long neck and four legs, was found by a team led by William Hummer from Augustana College in Rock Island, Illinois on the 13,000-foot high Mt. Kirkpatrick near the Beardmore Glacier. When this dino lived, the area was a soft riverbed. The team found dinosaur bones, specifically part of a huge pelvis and ilium. "This site is so far removed geographically from any site near its age, it's clearly a new dinosaur to Antarctica," Hammer told Reuters. This dinosaur was probably about 30 feet long, but was part of a lineage that went on to produce animals as large as 100 feet long.

Both excavations were supported by the National Science Foundation, an independent federal agency that supports fundamental research and education across all fields of science and engineering.

[Don Joe]

So, what does this mean in relation to our discussion. Well, take a dark ariplane, park it on ice, and let it sit. As the ice heats and cools, at a completely different rate than the surrounding ice, it will eventually "bury" itself in the ice thorough a number of different reactions, including the addition of more snow on top of it.

As I recall, all of the airplanes were found nice and level (and at the same depth), as if they'd been parked, and then buried in snow. Seems to me that an airplane that was "sinking" slowly through the ice would tend to fall in an other than level pitch, since there's no one on board to adjust the trim tabs, and in any event, the velocity is quite likely well below the stall speed. :)

Quite remarkable that they'd all "sink" several hundred feet, and yet, maintain the same attitude (horizontal!), and, fall at the same rate, even though one of them was a bomber that was much, much larger than the fighters (with of course much greater surface area, disproportionate to the weight vis-a-vis the fighters).

I'd say the odds of that are on par with me emptying my wallet and a handful of change onto the floor from shoulder height, and having the coins all land on the edge, and my lucky twenty landing standing upright on end -- and, my credit cards all neatly stacked on atop the other.

I think that if you look into it, you'll find that the pressure -- from the weight of the planes, as expressed via each plane's fuselage, wings, and elevators -- would be a fraction of the amount necessary to melt the ice via pressure.

I know this, because I have looked into it. And by the same logic, I know that you haven't.

In other words, you're still shooting from the hip, and it shows. The more you fire -- and miss -- the more obvious it is that you're not engaging in "aimed fire". Generally, when one is in well over one's head, the prudent thing to do is to stop diving. (Or, if you prefer, when stuck in the mud, stop spinning your wheels.)

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Don Joe]

So, if the plain language of the KJV is no longer a valid Bible translation, which one is the One True Bible?

And which Pillars did God set the Earth upon? Face it Bub, there is more evidence in the KJV Bible to support a flat Earth viewpoint than there are Biblical scholars willing to dig into the original languages.

If the resulting translations are so far off in their meaning, then I'd say God needs to fire whatever Angel he has keeping an eye on those re-printing his texts.

Why are you mocking his religion? Why do you ridicule his faith?

[bondserv]

1 John 1:7-8
...and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The wages of sin is death.

[Dog Gone]

For example, old abandoned oil wells for some reason seem to partially refill after being left alone for a decade or two.

The reason oil can be found in abandoned wells is because it is impossible to get all the oil out of the rock now. Oil doesn't quit flowing overnight. It just drops to levels where you're spending more money on electricity or gas to pump the well than it can produce economically.

Even in the very best rock, you're going to plug that well with 30% of the original oil in place still there.

So yes, there will be some further migration of the oil in the pores of the rock after a well is plugged. But this notion that reservoirs are replenishing themselves and that the supply of oil is endless is a stunning myth which is posted here at FR as if it's established fact. It's false.

[katana]

Endless supply? No, and I that's not what I meant to imply. Petroleum not a byproduct of the decomposition of 500 million years accumulated organic matter but a primordial element of the planet's structure? Maybe and I suspect yes. That is the essence (as I understand it) of Dr. Gold's theory. Maybe it's true and maybe not, but based on the fellow's history of overturning conventional dogma I'd hesitate to bet against him.

[gitmo]

Atkinsaurus. Were you making a joke about the dinosaur's diet, or that it slipped on the ice?

[Dog Gone]

I will at least partially buy into the notion that natural gas (methane) can originate from the earth's core. Volcanos can even spew methane along with other dangerous gasses.

But it's not even controversial that the deeper you drill in search of hydrocarbons the less likely those will be found in the form of oil. Deeper means hotter and oil can't survive in inferno conditions, commonly found at depths of six miles and often much less. If Dr. Gold was right, deep oil would be much more common than shallow oil deposits. It's not. It's much more rare.

If Dr. Gold was right, it really wouldn't matter where you placed the drilling rig. Just point your drillbit toward the center of the earth, and you're Jed Clampett.

It doesn't work that way, either. It turns out that drilling to a rock formation formed in a marine environment gives the best chance of success. Everything points to looking at places where organic matter was buried in a quiet and stable underwater environment.

[Tench_Coxe]

Next thing we'll hear is about a large spacecraft buried in the ice, discovered by norwegian researchers, before all radio contact is lost....

[fish hawk]

In hind sight, it must have been the ice.

[Alter Kaker]

Really?! Shouldn't there be? 100's of millions of years of evolution and there aren't enough fossils of even something as plentiful as trees?

There would have to be enough fossil trees close together so as to be not have a single gap of one tree-lifetime. This of course is impossible. There are many fossil trees but not that many. Do not be absurd.

[Alter Kaker]

Nonsense. It is good to see that you agree now that glass is solid. But airplane would not sink after first snowfall covers aircraft with snow -- light of sun will not reflect differently off of buried plane and simply will not sink. This is not terribly complicated concept to understand.

[CWOJackson]

I'll believe they've uncovered prehistorical life there when they find some of pat buchannan's first presidential campaign literature.

[Alter Kaker]

It's interesting that the oldest trees in the petrified forest are around 1000 years. But there are redwoods growing in California that are 3500 years old. Why aren't there older trees in the fossils?

What percent of trees alive today are 3500 years old? .00001%? You really think is surprising that none such have been found amoung fossils?

[Alter Kaker]

Ah... NO! But your religion is showing!

Judaism?

[Alter Kaker]

In the middle of the Winter when you get a good solid cold snap. Take a dark colored rock and set it on the ice. Come back in a few weeks.

This is insanity. You know why this works? Because dark rock absorbs light from sun, which turns to heat. But in middle of winter, it should snow. Snow covers rock, rock no longer absorbs light, rock no longer sinks. This is very simple concept. Aircraft do not sink below level of ground.

[Constantine XIII]

They didn't dig up any barrels with tentacles and starfish heads, did they? O_o

[Constantine XIII]

They didn't dig up any barrels with tentacles and starfish heads, did they? O_o

[Constantine XIII]

They didn't dig up any barrels with tentacles and starfish heads, did they? O_o

[Alter Kaker]

I have more evidence that supports young age theory

Which is this? I have seen no evidence at all.

[Constantine XIII]

Whoops! Could you clear up the triple post? Thanks!