Bush Backs Amendment Banning Gay Marriage [Live Thread 10:45 Statement]

Fox News ^ | 02.24.04

[Dr. Marten]

Bush Backs Amendment Banning Gay Marriage

Breaking news...no details yet..

[commish]

I agree that there is very little chance this will actually win the approval of 38 of the 50 states

There are already 38 states with laws on the books banning Gay marriage (not to mention a handful more considering it). Why would they not then support a Federal ban?

[CougarGA7]

This doesn't surprise me. Remember that this is the same person that said in his Spanish Response to the State of the Union Address.

"The Republican Party has collectively ruined much for us.."

and

"The Democratic Party has always been with us, and we should not forget who really are our true friends and allis."

[TeleStraightShooter]

...and with a more Republican Congress after the election, Congress by way of...

IMHO, congress should @ least demonstrate the power of the Exceptions Clause before the election, that way they can illustrate it's power & make Kerry/Edwards filibuster it this summer.....

[cyncooper]

1) I really loathe Kerry

2) I really want him to win the nomination

Me, too.

At first I wanted the dems to reject him. Now I want him around to be kicked around.

[section9]

Here's my problem with your entire take, GSC.

Bush had to wait to let the other side make the first overt act.

You have to know how to wait in this business, especially when the media is firmly in the enemy camp. The gays couldn't help themselves, so they (all Dems, everyone of them, I suspect) did two things. First, the activists got an activist court in a friendly state (Mass.) to direct a legislature to make law as the court saw fit. Second, they encouraged ambitious Mayor Newsom to take the laws of the State of California into his own hands.

Bush is reacting, and rightly so. But he will not fall into the trap of being a "gay basher". That doesn't go over too well in the Burbs.

I can tell you that Bush made the right move because Governor Richardson of NM was bitching that the Pubbies were terrible for bringing this up in the middle of a campaign year.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[Celtjew Libertarian]

Well, inasmuch as this does improve Bush's election chances, it's a good thing....

But, I think the Amendment itself is wrong, both from the point of view of not being appropriate for the Constitution and in that I support gay marriages being on the same legal standing as heterosexual marriage -- though I don't approve of it being the result of judicial fiat, as in Massachusetts, or political showboating, as in SF.

Because of national security issues, Bush has my vote in November. However, if this is still an issue in November, Libertarians will be getting my vote in every legislative race they field a candidate; Democrats will get consideration in state races when Libertarians aren't on the ballot (though I still won't vote for a Democrat for the U.S. Senate or House of Reps.)

I better go don my abestos BVDs, because I may be about to be flamed.

[petercooper]

If homosexuals want to change current law, let them be the ones to propose a constitutional amendment to allow it.

[justshutupandtakeit]

This aspect of the Constitution is rarely discussed but most who have thought about it believe Congress is too gutless to use the Exceptions clause preferring to let the Court take the flak rather than congress. I find that hard to argue with.

[Imal]

If the problem lies with the Supreme Court, then we need to change the Supreme Court, not the Constitution.

[jwalsh07]

This clause does not, and has never required, any state to accept as legal that which it specifically prohibits by law, disingenuous contentions notwithstanding. To interpret it otherwise is to effectively grant any state the ability to override the laws of any other state, which is absurd.

You don't get it but thats OK, neither did the British Colonel who built the Bridge Over the River Kwai until the very end. Here's how it works:

1) Massachusetts SJC by a plurality of one justice dictates that homosexual "marriage" will be the law of that state.

2) The FF&C clause of the US Constitution requires the federal government to honor that marriage and issue treat homosexuals as married for purposes of the IRS, social security, Medicaid, Medicare et al.

3) Homosexual couples in other states sue the federal government under the equal protection clause of the US Constitution for the same "rights" that homosexuals in Massachusetts are entitled to. SCOTUS rules in their favor.

4) Voila, homosexual "marriage" is a fait accompli and nary a legislature has ever voted on or approved it.

[philetus]

Whats up with your website?

[William McKinley]

Any number of them, and all of the ones Bush has given indication that he could support. For example, Musgrove's is worded as thus:

"Neither this constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups."

This sentence would bar judges from granting legal privileges to same-sex couples (or groups), but allow state legislatures to make their own decisions in the matter.

Some wordings include a sentence defining marriage as being between a man and a woman. I certainly wouldn't oppose that being included.

[mel]

Just went in and bought one. Obviously not at the library.

[ChadGore]

My wish: We need a marvrick conservative who has a strong background on the issue to found OMOW.ORG (One Man One Woman)

I'm proud of the republican party and how much it has achieved on the value of life issue in this country. I think of Alen Keyes when he speaks out about the value of life and how abortion is wrong, and I wonder who can fulfill that roll for marriage in the GOP today ?

What member of the Republican Party can best make the argument for defending marriage ? ?

[ohioWfan]

Attacking patriotism of others (yes, this is in response to this Amendment issue) and trying to divide Americans.

Is he not concerned in the slightest that what he says makes NO sense, whatsoever??

(Note my tagline........BUSH/CHENEY 2004!!)

[DollyCali]

The only reason I can think of is that it's what I called it -- a side-show diversion from his gross failures on real issues (spending, RKBA, etc).

Steve, many of us feel (ME) , that the trust & integrity of the family is the key building block to a successful society.

If that boundary is successfully broken, many levels of life become chaos.

Yes, there are other issues, there always will be & yes, everyone will have differences on most of them.

I for one am glad he is addressing this & in this manner. I am not a constitutional scholar & not been around FR that all long, so I cant debate with the knowledge & depth of many.. but I think the president reflects the values that I hold dear and I am proud of him for standing up for them even if it isn't "smart" politically.

He has my vote & my support for his reelection bid.

and NO, I don't agree with everything. Dubya's goal in life is not to satisfy DollyCali's every whim....

[sr4402]

"Neither this constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups."

This amendment sounds like a SHAM, without the wording 'one man to one woman' the admendment is meaningless and has no teeth.

[Fitzcarraldo]

If homosexuals want to change current law, let them be the ones to propose a constitutional amendment to allow it.

They probably have...the question is if the Dems will come out in favor of it.

[Imal]

There are, however, myriad issues that people support that are bringing about a federal tyranny.

Absolutely. Which is why it must be scrupulously opposed at every opportunity.

It may already be too late, but I believe it is worth tolerating insults and abuse to defend that which so many of my countrymen have defended with their lives.

[FourtySeven]

Just went to DU to see what they are doing ....same ranting as usual but a hand full of them get it and know that Bush won big...Kerry is screwed

I'm curious, how can you stand that place? The few times I've tried to go there, I literally get sick to my stomach. No joke; I honestly feel like I will vomit.