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Bush Backs Amendment Banning Gay Marriage [Live Thread 10:45 Statement]
Fox News ^ | 02.24.04

Posted on 02/24/2004 7:15:06 AM PST by Dr. Marten

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To: Imal
Roland's commentary is not persuasive and, in fact, adds evidence that Marshall's ruling was consistent with the intentions of the Founders. Madison's attempt to have the BoR extend to the states was explicitly rejected. And there is no doubt that many during that era were not inclined to give the federal government extensive powers over the states which extension of the reach of the BoR would have clearly down.

Marshall's noting that when the Constitution meant to indicate restrictions upon the States it made that clear is consistent with my understanding the language of the 1st notwithstanding.

As far as the "selective application" argument goes there is nothing within it which means that the areas where such application is in effect are wrong. It may be concluded that those areas should be widened which is not likely the desire of the author (or you.)

Since the BoR has now been extended to cover the states it appears the point is moot.
621 posted on 02/25/2004 8:12:34 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Imal
You would have to specify some of those areas of selection incorporation which use the 14th as a cover I don't see them (other than in the areas I referenced earlier.)

Wizened? Dried up? LoL I have been called much worse I suppose.
622 posted on 02/25/2004 8:25:26 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Democratshavenobrains
Threats of violence are not mere hyperbole and are contrary to forum policy.
623 posted on 02/25/2004 8:36:50 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: from occupied ga
Keep up with the program... : )

President Bush will propose an increase of less than 1 percent for federal programs not related to defense or homeland security, effectively freezing discretionary spending in the next budget, after coming under fire from conservatives to control runaway spending.

But the president will propose increasing governmentwide homeland security funding by 9.7 percent in the fiscal 2005 budget, and the military budget is expected to increase by a small amount.

"This is going to be an austere budget," White House spokesman Trent Duffy said of the budget that Mr. Bush will send to Congress on Feb. 2. The less-than-1 percent growth will be the smallest since Mr. Bush took office in 2001 — and the lowest since his father, President Bush, proposed his fiscal 1993 budget.

Bush to propose spending freeze 01/22/04

In addition:

To battle the soaring deficits, Bush proposed squeezing scores of government programs and sought outright spending cuts in seven of 15 Cabinet-level agencies. The Agriculture Department and the Environmental Protection Agency were targeted for the biggest reductions. In total, Bolten said, Bush’s budget would eliminate 65 government programs for a saving of $4.9 billion while proposing to cut spending in 63 other programs.

MSNBC

And the Dems are playing the race card (what's new):

This week, while Republican leaders sent a memo to Republican House members on how to attract Hispanic voters, the President sent Congress a budget proposal that would cut vital programs for the same Hispanic families that President Bush is asking to vote for him. Budget analyses show that over 100 programs, including education, work training and housing programs, will be killed or cut by Bush's proposal. The Department of Labor would lose $436 million under the Bush budget, and training programs for migrant and seasonal farm workers, who are predominantly Hispanic, would be terminated.

Democrats.org

Or outright defying Bush:

Bush proposed that [Advanced Technology Program] ATP funding be curtailed to minimal levels necessary to finish existing projects and that [Manufacturing Extension Partnership] MEP receive $12 million to fund two remaining centers for seven years, after which time they would be on their own. In the past two budget cycles, Bush has requested that those two programs, as well as the Technology Opportunities Program (TOP), be eliminated, but Congress has supplied funding anyway.

GovExec.com

624 posted on 02/25/2004 9:32:06 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Why the delay? We know the answer. It's politics

It is NOT politics, he is just reacting to the crisis at hand. He stated earlier that he would support this, the judges and the gay activists have now forced his hand with their recent actions.

625 posted on 02/25/2004 9:44:15 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Howlin; Sabertooth
What you "thought" is of no concern to me; if you're having trouble understanding what I'm posting, perhaps you should just skip over my posts.

You posted the following remark in #597:

And the ones who replied to me about the "pandering" remark didn't seem to think I was coming out against CMA.

Your contention was incorrect - at a minimum I thought your remarks were coming out against CMA. If you make an assertion that's inaccurate, I'm afraid I have little choice but to reply in order to correct the record. I'm not about to "skip over" your post when I see a blatantly false statement in it.

626 posted on 02/25/2004 10:10:58 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Sabertooth
Yes- I have been thinking about the "Full Faith and Credit" clause. I still don't like the idea. I would rather have the mass court decision overturned. Otherwise we will have to amend the constitution every other week as activist state supreme courts create strange new rights for stange new "minorities" that the other states would then have to recognize.
627 posted on 02/25/2004 11:15:21 AM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
Yes- I have been thinking about the "Full Faith and Credit" clause. I still don't like the idea. I would rather have the mass court decision overturned.

On what basis?

Otherwise we will have to amend the constitution every other week as activist state supreme courts create strange new rights for stange new "minorities" that the other states would then have to recognize.

Well, only if they can use the FFC as a Trojan Horse, as is the case here.

Otherwise, I agree, this is a messy solution. It's the price we're paying for not having impeached a few dozen judges during the last century.


628 posted on 02/25/2004 11:23:44 AM PST by Sabertooth (Malcontent for Bush - 2004!)
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To: Sabertooth
I am no Lawyer- but that decsiion doesn't even pretend to be guided by textual law or precedent. It simply is an abuse of Judicial power. It could be overturned for that reason alone.

I agree with you on impeachment. It should have been used a long time ago. The Impeachment power against Judges was clearly meant as a legislative check against Judicial power by our founders. It should have been used often on both a state and federal level. But somehow the notion of impeaching a Judge is considered "Radical" or "extreme" by our government and media culture.

629 posted on 02/25/2004 11:51:37 AM PST by Burkeman1
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To: Howlin
It is pandering to the ignorant hard "right" that has no idea what Federalism means. But I strangely agree with your popular assessment of this Bush move-it will backfire.
630 posted on 02/25/2004 6:16:50 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: NittanyLion
Your contention was incorrect - at a minimum I thought your remarks were coming out against CMA.

That is because you are looking for something to jump my ass about; for some reason, you've taken it upon yourself to correct every single thing I say, like some kind of school marm.

I never said ONE WORD about CMA -- not one -- and even you haven't been able to post where I said anything about it -- only what you "think" or "assume."

Your interpretation is a blatant lie.

631 posted on 02/25/2004 7:45:43 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Your interpretation is a blatant lie.

Actually, my interpretation is just that - not a blatant lie. In the future, perhaps you should write more clearly if you wish to avoid further misunderstandings. But it's hardly appropriate to claim I'm lying when your statements were murky (at best) from the start.

632 posted on 02/26/2004 6:33:17 AM PST by NittanyLion
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