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“That was a Very Stupid Question, Senator”
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | [February 2, 2004] | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 02/02/2004 8:41:47 PM PST by Congressman Billybob

The first rule of testifying before Committees of Congress, which I’ve done on several occasions, is this: Be polite to the Members of Congress. Last week during the testimony of Dr. David Kay, former Chief Weapons Inspector for Iraq, before the Senate Armed Forces Committee, at least four instances cried out for an exception to that rule.

The worst such example arose at the end of the questioning by Senator Mark Dayton, D-Minn. First, he asked Dr. Kay “How many nations have WMD capabilities?” Kay answered that “about fifty countries have such capacities.” Dayton then mused that the United States could not attack fifty countries all at once.

Rather than point out that the United States has no reason to attack nuclear powers such as France, Israel, Pakistan and India for instance, Kay indirectly pointed out the folly of Dayton’s question. Kay said that we “cannot control capability – intention is the key.” And later Kay said that we need to make accurate “judgments about real intentions.”

But the Senator persisted in his course of foolishness. At the end of his allotted time, he went into a rambling discourse that seemed on occasion like a question would break out. It was about Libya, classified as a rogue nation for decades, which has just agreed to abandon its biological, chemical and nuclear programs. In an apparent reference to the difference between Libya and Iraq, Senator Dayton suggested a “contrast [between] the success of that approach without the loss of American lives.”

At the end of his discourse, Senator Dayton said, “My time has expired.” Dr. Kay therefore did not respond to his question. However, the proper answer to his question would have been, “That was a very stupid question, Senator.”

Dr. Kay could have backed up that conclusion by noting that anyone who reads papers knows that Libya had recently reached and paid a billion-dollar settlement with the relatives of the Pan Am flight bombed out of the sky over Lockerbie, Scotland. He could have noted that Libya, long an “enemy” of the United States, opened its very secret negotiations nine days after the United States attacked Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq, and that the Libyan negotiations got very serious very quickly after Hussein’s regime collapsed like a house of cards before the swift and thorough attack of American forces.

He could have noted that two decades ago, Libya earned a good living by selling its natural gas in LNG ships (“liquified natural gas”) to the United States, through two ports built for that precise product in Boston and Baltimore. Dr. Kay should have stated for the Senator the obvious point that events in Iraq had self-evidently instructed the Libyan dictator that it is a terrible choice on the international stage to be on the bad side of the United States.

Dr. Kay could have quoted the shortest and perhaps best definition of diplomacy from President Teddy Roosevelt: “Speak softly and carry a big stick.”

In short, almost the entire discourse by Senator Dayton demonstrated an ignorance of recent history and logical analysis that is breathtaking in its stupidity. But all things considered, it was probably wise for Dr. Kay not to point out that stupidity in plain English, to the Senator.

But that was not the only example.

Before Senator Hillary Clinton, D-NY, had her turn at bat in the same hearing, Dr. Kay had already explained (both in his prepared testimony and in answer to questions from other Senators) the essential differences between the UN-sponsored inspections and the ones carried out by him and his staff. As Dr. Kay said, “the UN inspections were partially successful.” But he went on to point out that his staff, after the war, got much more information because “the Iraqis who had information were no longer in fear of their lives if they told inspectors the truth about what they knew.”

Senator Clinton demonstrated that she either wasn’t paying attention to the prior information, or didn’t care about it. In her questions, she persisted in suggesting that the “UN inspections might have succeeded, if permitted to do so.” Again, Dr. Kay was polite in his responses. Instead of pointing out that the Senator’s question was “stupid,” he patiently repeated the central point that only after the collapse of Hussein’s regime could Iraqis speak honestly about what they knew, without fear of execution of them or their families.

The third example of congressional stupidity on parade occurred during the questioning by Senator Carl Levin, D-Mich. Senator Levin went on at length about the pre-war failings of American intelligence. Dr. Kay, both then and elsewhere in his testimony, patiently explained that for decades, all the American intelligence agencies had been cut back seriously in their “human” intelligence. We were relying instead on statements by defectors and others outside Iraq, and also on other nations’ intelligence agencies and their conclusions.

Never did Dr. Kay refer to the “Levin Amendment.” This amendment, sponsored by the self-same Senator, forbade American agencies from employing various kinds of “bad guys,” war criminals and the like, as sources. Dr. Kay could have pointed out the obvious point that anyone who merely watches cop shows on TV knows the drill. You catch and “flip” the small fry in any criminal enterprise, in order to expose and nail the ones at the top. It is a process that works in breaking up drug rings, auto theft rings, and corporate swindles, among others. In short, if you want to uncover and stop the development of weapons of mass murder, the best way to do that is to find and “flip” some of the low-level participants in that very scheme.

In short, Senator Levin was complaining about a failure that led directly and inescapably from his own amendment to America’s intelligence laws. Levin’s false sanctimony about US intelligence failures resembled the plea of a son who killed his parents for mercy, on the ground that he was an orphan.

The fourth example of stupid questioning of Dr. Kay by a Senator occurred during the time allotted to Senator Teddy Kennedy, D-Mass. Dr. Kay had previously stated in no uncertain terms that “the intelligence information prior to the war was wrong,” but that to his knowledge, “no intelligence officer was ever pressured to change his analysis.”

Despite this, Senator Kennedy began with a long, pre-prepared statement that repeatedly alleged that “the Administration misled the American people” about the status of WMD in Iraq. Again, Dr. Kay was polite. He did not point out that Senator Kennedy’s questions were dishonest. Instead, he carefully repeated his prior testimony, that the Administration used the intelligence as provided, without change, compelled or otherwise, and that all the intelligence services of other major nations had reached exactly the same mistaken conclusions prior to the war.

While Senator Kennedy said that “no other conclusion could be reached” except that the Administration “misled” the American people, in fact a different conclusion is self-evident. The Senator had walked into the hearing with pre-prepared talking points (or shouting or growling points, for those who have seen the Senator’s recent appearances on the campaign trail with John Kerry). The Senator wasn’t about to let the facts presented in the hearing interfere in any way with the “conclusions” he wanted to draw.

And exactly as the Senator expected, his talking points were excerpted on most of the major news media accounts of the Kay hearing before the Committee. In fact, the cameras for the major news outlets all packed up and left early, all of them before Senator Dayton took the microphone, and most of them even before Senator Clinton had her turn.

That’s a shame. C-SPAN, of course, carried the hearing from gavel to gavel. But only about 0.1% of the American public are, like me, C-SPAN junkies who watch such things gavel to gavel. None of the major media, broadcast or print, carried any discussion of Senator Dayton’s exchanges with Dr. Kay.

I firmly believe that the quality of American politics would vastly improve if world-class instances of congressional stupidity were widely reported. It would require no editorialization. Just put the stupid statement side-by-side with the facts which demonstrate its stupidity. There are ample examples of this. Senator Mark Dayton, D-Minn., just happens to be last week’s poster child for congressional stupidity.

Readers of this who are located in Minnesota are encouraged to send copies of this column to Senator Dayton. Best you send it in printed form. The Senator demonstrates a blissful ignorance of modern facts and developments, and he may not be up to speed on e-mail. Presumably, he can handle the printed word.

And just so the good Senator doesn’t miss the point, “That was a VERY stupid question, Senator.”

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About the Author: John Armor is an author and columnist on politics and history. He currently has an Exploratory Committee to run for Congress.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: davidkay; northcarolina; oldnorthstate; senatearmedservices; senatorclinton; senatordayton; senatorkennedy
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To: Congressman Billybob; 2grit; 7beuties; Abe Froman; Abigail Adams; AdGal; Aeronaut; AFCdt; ...
Mark Dayton is as clueless as they come. The ONLY reason he was elected is because he was a bankrolled by his family and was a close personal friend of Paul "Lenin" Wellstone.

MINNESOTA PING.

Hey hey ho ho.. Mark Dayton's gotta go!

41 posted on 02/03/2004 6:28:26 AM PST by Johnny Gage (God Bless our Firefighters, our Police, our EMS responders, and our Veterans)
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To: Johnny Gage
You mean to tell me Mark Dayton asked a stupid question?? I'm shocked I tell ya...shocked.

Back to the meds Mark...back to the meds...

42 posted on 02/03/2004 6:41:58 AM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: Johnny Gage
That and his opponent ran the worst campaign in modern political history.

The ONLY reason he was elected is because he was a bankrolled by his family and was a close personal friend of Paul "Lenin" Wellstone.

43 posted on 02/03/2004 6:47:48 AM PST by DManA
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To: Congressman Billybob
Great article, Congressman!

44 posted on 02/03/2004 6:54:06 AM PST by Gritty ("A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user"--Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Certainly, the questions by these Democrat Senators were stupid, and these scumbags were well aware that their questions were stupid. It was never their intention to get answers - - the questions, and the pompous musings which accompanied them, were the whole point. The dream of every one of these Senators in these situations is to time it just right so that "I see my time has expired" before an actual question can be articulated.

The best way for this kind of partisan strategery to be answered is for the Chairman to "allow the witness to respond", without taking time off the clock for anybody. Then, Kay could have sat there and offered his own musings without an opportunity for the scumbag Senator to have the last word.

Or, the next Republican questioner could simply offer the witness the chance to respond to "my good friend, the Senator from (whatever)". Kay was a very good witness for Bush, and the Republicans should have milked it for everything it was worth. In all though, it still turned out pretty good for Bush as the Democrats ended up fairly flummoxed.

Regards,
LH
45 posted on 02/03/2004 7:17:49 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Congressman Billybob
But the Senator persisted in his course of foolishness.

Well of course he did! He wouldn't be little Marky Dayton if he didn't. When it comes to persistence in foolishness I'll put little Marky up against ANYONE!
46 posted on 02/03/2004 7:36:06 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
thanks for the note for that idiot dayton - it has been printed and is going in todays mail as per your suggestion - i did take the added initiative of underlining in red a couple of the more choice comments for his edification - though i'm pretty sure they will sail right over the imbeciles head - but hey it gives me a day brightener
47 posted on 02/03/2004 7:38:54 AM PST by marlin (US out of the UN and UN out of the US - good start Utah)
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To: NormsRevenge
And Pelosi and Daschle and and and the list goes on and on.
48 posted on 02/03/2004 7:40:15 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is STILL in control, even if Bush loses in 2004!)
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To: BroncosFan
When Sen. Kennedy (D-Glenfiddich) asked him how many innocent people died from those mines, he replied, "One less than at Chappaquidick, Senator."


HE SHOTS....HE SCORES!!!
Game over.
49 posted on 02/03/2004 7:41:13 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Hugh & Series, Critical & Pulled by JimRob
Special to FreeRepublic | 17 December 2003 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

This is nothing like the usual whine by someone whose post was pulled. JimRob pulled my previous thread for a good reason. "If direct fund-raising were permitted on FR, it would soon be wall-to-wall fund-raising."

So, let's start again correctly. This is about civil disobedience to support the First Amendment and challenge the TERRIBLE CFR decision of the Supreme Court to uphold a terrible law passed by Congress and signed by President Bush.

All who are interested in an in-your-face challenge to the 30- and 60-day ad ban in the Campaign Finance "Reform" Act, please join in. The pattern is this: I'm looking for at least 1,000 people to help the effort. I will run the ad, and risk fines or jail time to make it work -- AND get national support.

But there should be NO mentions of money in this thread, and not in Freepmail either. This is JimRob's electronic home, and we should all abide his concerns.

Put your comments here. Click on the link above, and send me your e-mail addresses. I will get back to you by regular e-mail with the practical details.

This CAN be done. This SHOULD be done. But it MUST be done in accord with JimRob's guidelines.


Fair enough?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1042394/posts



Update
I've already tested the idea of my in-your-face challenge ads, first in the print media and then deliberately illegal on TV, with certain editors I have a long relationship with. I could trust these two gentlemen, one in the print media and the other in the broadcast media, with a "heads up" on what I am planning. Both said they wanted to know, in advance, when I am about to do this.

The bottom line is clear. If I am willing to put my neck on the line, with the possibilities of a fine and jail time, THAT effort will put CFR back on the front page in all media. And that is part of the point. There's not much value of going in-your-face against the enemies of the First Amendment unless the press takes up the story and spreads the word. It is now clear they will do exactly that.

Update 2
QUICK PROGRESS REPORT, ANSWERING A SUPPORTER'S QUESTION:
We have about 15% of the needed 1,000 sign-ups.

Spread the word, direct folks to the front page link on my website.

Google-bomb the phrase "anti-CFR" directing readers to that page and link. (We're already #2 and #4 on Google.)

Target date is now August, since the NC primary looks to be put back to September. (Remember, the ad isn't illegal until the 29th day before the election.)


Cordially,

John / Billybob


Note if you are interested in more on this please contact Valin or Congressman Billybob
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1070638/posts
50 posted on 02/03/2004 7:43:25 AM PST by Valin (Politicians are like diapers. They both need changing regularly and for the same reason.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I firmly believe that the quality of American politics would vastly improve if world-class instances of congressional stupidity were widely reported. It would require no editorialization. Just put the stupid statement side-by-side with the facts which demonstrate its stupidity. There are ample examples of this. Senator Mark Dayton, D-Minn., just happens to be last week’s poster child for congressional stupidity.

C-Span dies have it's purpose. Voters should be chained to their seats to watch their tax dollars hard(ly) at work.

51 posted on 02/03/2004 7:45:31 AM PST by 4CJ (||) Support free speech and stop CFR - visit www.ArmorforCongress.com (||)
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To: Congressman Billybob
WARNING: ABOUT THE HOMEPAGE FOR THIS LINK, I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANYTHING THEY ESPOUSE.

This was the only place I've found a complete transcript of the Kay testimony on 1-28-04

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KAY401A.html


A deplorable statement by REED.


REED: Just one final point, because my time has expired. I do recollect that there were some missiles destroyed because of their either disclosure or discovery by these inspectors, which suggested another data point. We seldom remember that, too. We remember that despite...

KAY: Absolutely, that's true.

REED: So that there was a degree of cooperation and a degree of success, perhaps not as conclusive as yours, but that was happening. Is that correct?

KAY: It wasn't cooperation.

This was a case of the Samoud II missile, which had been even under UNSCOM days a source of dispute with regard to its range. They continued to develop it after the inspectors left in 1998. By the time the U.N. was readmitted, and there actually existed Samoud IIs, there was no way you could contend that that was shorter than 150 kilometers and, in fact, destruction had begun of those missiles.

KAY: That's correct.

REED: My time has expired.

52 posted on 02/03/2004 7:50:46 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Congressman Billybob
This was right after Clinton's rant and I think VERY important to what is upcoming.






CLINTON: Thank you.

WARNER: Senator, that question you raised is an important one, and our witness addressed it and gave his views about the resources.

But I would withhold any final judgment on that issue until we have before this committee, General Dayton and General Abizaid.

I talked with General Dayton two weeks ago extensively about this issue. He has a somewhat different perspective than our distinguished witness(Kay). And as recently as last night, I talked to General Abizaid and he likewise has respectfully a different view.

But there is one point that you all concur on, and that is there came a time in that fall period when we were losing brave soldiers, death, wounded and otherwise, and General Abizaid felt that he had to call upon some of your people who had capabilities and who indeed were on an ongoing basis contributing intelligence from your work to the war of trying to stop the insurrection in Iraq.
53 posted on 02/03/2004 8:02:55 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: marlin
I am delighted to hear that my column on Senator Dayton is going by mail to an audience of one, namely Dayton. The underlining in red is a nice touch. LOL.

John / Billybob

54 posted on 02/03/2004 8:10:10 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
besides the under lining i couldn't resist adding my own sardonic comments alongside the column - we are talking about mark dayton an idiot of epic proportion - so i thought that the additon of a 2x4 upside the head for good measure would at the least provide me with some degree of satisfaction - although it would be hard to top "logigical analysis that is breathtaking in its stupidity" simply brilliant :-)
55 posted on 02/03/2004 8:36:59 AM PST by marlin (US out of the UN and UN out of the US - good start Utah)
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To: MeekOneGOP

this picture cannot be posted enough.

56 posted on 02/03/2004 8:45:58 AM PST by SGCOS
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To: txzman
It is a forlorn hope my friend... why would our enemies attack their allies here in our midst?
57 posted on 02/03/2004 9:23:59 AM PST by CGVet58 (For my fellow Americans; my life... for our enemies; The Sword!!!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Nicely done.
58 posted on 02/03/2004 9:27:51 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (If Bush loses, it will be a Giuliani/Powell ticket in 2008)
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To: Congressman Billybob
This is excellent.

The often wasted saying, "there is no such thing as a dumb question" has always been a lie.

I come across them daily...thanks for pointing it out at a congressional level.
59 posted on 02/03/2004 10:39:39 AM PST by wallcrawlr
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To: Johnny Gage
Don't forget. He was also married to a Rockefeller for a while and she bankrolled his early political career, to the tune of setting a national record for campaign spending on his first, failed, run for Senate. Heck of a wedding present, innit?
60 posted on 02/03/2004 11:50:50 AM PST by brbethke
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