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So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?
SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

Posted on 01/22/2004 7:07:09 AM PST by Wolfstar

ED. NOTE: On Tuesday evening, January 20, 2004, the President of the United States gave one of the most conservative State of the Union addresses in at least a generation. For a SOTU speech, it had a remarkably short spending wish list. Instead, it had passages such as those excerpted below — none of which would have been spoken by a Democrat or liberal (i.e., Leftist), or even a "RINO." Check it out:

[BEGIN EXCERPTS: Bold/underscore emphasis by Wolfstar]

Our greatest responsibility is the active defense of the American people. Twenty-eight months have passed since September 11th, 2001 — over two years without an attack on American soil. And it is tempting to believe that the danger is behind us. That hope is understandable, comforting — and false.

[SNIP]

The once all-powerful ruler of Iraq was found in a hole, and now sits in a prison cell. Of the top 55 officials of the former regime, we have captured or killed 45. Our forces are on the offensive, leading over 1,600 patrols a day and conducting an average of 180 raids a week. We are dealing with these thugs in Iraq, just as surely as we dealt with Saddam Hussein's evil regime.

Because of American leadership and resolve, the world is changing for the better. Last month, the leader of Libya voluntarily pledged to disclose and dismantle all of his regime's weapons of mass destruction programs, including a uranium enrichment project for nuclear weapons.

[SNIP]

Nine months of intense negotiations involving the United States and Great Britain succeeded with Libya, while 12 years of diplomacy with Iraq did not. And one reason is clear: For diplomacy to be effective, words must be credible, and no one can now doubt the word of America.

Many of our troops are listening tonight. And I want you and your families to know: America is proud of you. And my administration, and this Congress, will give you the resources you need to fight and win the war on terror.

I know that some people question if America is really in a war at all. They view terrorism more as a crime, a problem to be solved mainly with law enforcement and indictments. After the World Trade Center was first attacked in 1993, some of the guilty were indicted and tried and convicted, and sent to prison. But the matter was not settled. The terrorists were still training and plotting in other nations, and drawing up more ambitious plans. After the chaos and carnage of September the 11th, it is not enough to serve our enemies with legal papers. The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and war is what they got.

[SNIP]

Some critics have said our duties in Iraq must be internationalized. This particular criticism is hard to explain to our partners in Britain, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Thailand, Italy, Spain, Poland, Denmark, Hungary, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Romania, the Netherlands — (applause) — Norway, El Salvador, and the 17 other countries that have committed troops to Iraq. As we debate at home, we must never ignore the vital contributions of our international partners, or dismiss their sacrifices.

From the beginning, America has sought international support for our operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, and we have gained much support. There is a difference, however, between leading a coalition of many nations, and submitting to the objections of a few. America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country.

We also hear doubts that democracy is a realistic goal for the greater Middle East, where freedom is rare. Yet it is mistaken, and condescending, to assume that whole cultures and great religions are incompatible with liberty and self-government. I believe that God has planted in every human heart the desire to live in freedom. And even when that desire is crushed by tyranny for decades, it will rise again.

[SNIP]

In the last three years, adversity has also revealed the fundamental strengths of the American economy. We have come through recession, and terrorist attack, and corporate scandals, and the uncertainties of war. And because you acted to stimulate our economy with tax relief, this economy is strong, and growing stronger.

You have doubled the child tax credit from $500 to $1,000, reduced the marriage penalty, begun to phase out the death tax, reduced taxes on capital gains and stock dividends, cut taxes on small businesses, and you have lowered taxes for every American who pays income taxes.

Americans took those dollars and put them to work, driving this economy forward. The pace of economic growth in the third quarter of 2003 was the fastest in nearly 20 years; new home construction, the highest in almost 20 years; home ownership rates, the highest ever. Manufacturing activity is increasing. Inflation is low. Interest rates are low. Exports are growing. Productivity is high, and jobs are on the rise.

These numbers confirm that the American people are using their money far better than government would have — and you were right to return it.

[SNIP]

We're requiring higher standards [in schools]. We are regularly testing every child on the fundamentals. We are reporting results to parents, and making sure they have better options when schools are not performing.

[SNIP]

We must continue to pursue an aggressive, pro-growth economic agenda. Congress has some unfinished business on the issue of taxes. The tax reductions you passed are set to expire. Unless you act — (applause) — unless you act — unless you act, the unfair tax on marriage will go back up. Unless you act, millions of families will be charged $300 more in federal taxes for every child. Unless you act, small businesses will pay higher taxes. Unless you act, the death tax will eventually come back to life. Unless you act, Americans face a tax increase. What Congress has given, the Congress should not take away. For the sake of job growth, the tax cuts you passed should be permanent.

Our agenda for jobs and growth must help small business owners and employees with relief from needless federal regulation, and protect them from junk and frivolous lawsuits.

Consumers and businesses need reliable supplies of energy to make our economy run — so I urge you to pass legislation to modernize our electricity system, promote conservation, and make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy.

My administration is promoting free and fair trade to open up new markets for America's entrepreneurs and manufacturers and farmers — to create jobs for American workers. Younger workers should have the opportunity to build a nest egg by saving part of their Social Security taxes in a personal retirement account. We should make the Social Security system a source of ownership for the American people.

[SNIP]

In two weeks, I will send you a budget that funds the war, protects the homeland, and meets important domestic needs, while limiting the growth in discretionary spending to less than 4 percent. This will require that Congress focus on priorities, cut wasteful spending, and be wise with the people's money. By doing so, we can cut the deficit in half over the next five years.

Tonight, I also ask you to reform our immigration laws so they reflect our values and benefit our economy.

[SNIP]

I oppose amnesty, because it would encourage further illegal immigration, and unfairly reward those who break our laws. My temporary worker program will preserve the citizenship path for those who respect the law, while bringing millions of hardworking men and women out from the shadows of American life.

[ED. NOTE: The precedent for guest worker programs goes back at least to the Eisenhower administration.]

[SNIP]

In January of 2006, seniors can get prescription drug coverage under Medicare. For a monthly premium of about $35, most seniors who do not have that coverage today can expect to see their drug bills cut roughly in half. Under this reform, senior citizens will be able to keep their Medicare just as it is, or they can choose a Medicare plan that fits them best — just as you, as members of Congress, can choose an insurance plan that meets your needs. And starting this year, millions of Americans will be able to save money tax-free for their medical expenses in a health savings account.

[SNIP]

On the critical issue of health care, our goal is to ensure that Americans can choose and afford private health care coverage that best fits their individual needs.

[SNIP]

Small businesses should be able to band together and negotiate for lower insurance rates, so they can cover more workers with health insurance. I urge you to pass association health plans. I ask you to give lower-income Americans a refundable tax credit that would allow millions to buy their own basic health insurance.

[SNIP]

To protect the doctor-patient relationship, and keep good doctors doing good work, we must eliminate wasteful and frivolous medical lawsuits. And tonight I propose that individuals who buy catastrophic health care coverage, as part of our new health savings accounts, be allowed to deduct 100 percent of the premiums from their taxes.

A government-run health care system is the wrong prescription. By keeping costs under control, expanding access, and helping more Americans afford coverage, we will preserve the system of private medicine that makes America's health care the best in the world.

[SNIP]

One of the worst decisions our children can make is to gamble their lives and futures on drugs. Our government is helping parents confront this problem with aggressive education, treatment, and law enforcement. Drug use in high school has declined by 11 percent over the last two years. Four hundred thousand fewer young people are using illegal drugs than in the year 2001.

[SNIP]

A strong America must also value the institution of marriage. I believe we should respect individuals as we take a principled stand for one of the most fundamental, enduring institutions of our civilization. Congress has already taken a stand on this issue by passing the Defense of Marriage Act, signed in 1996 by President Clinton. That statute protects marriage under federal law as a union of a man and a woman, and declares that one state may not redefine marriage for other states.

Activist judges, however, have begun redefining marriage by court order, without regard for the will of the people and their elected representatives. On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard. If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process. Our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage.

[SNIP]

It's also important to strengthen our communities by unleashing the compassion of America's religious institutions. Religious charities of every creed are doing some of the most vital work in our country — mentoring children, feeding the hungry, taking the hand of the lonely. Yet government has often denied social service grants and contracts to these groups, just because they have a cross or a Star of David or a crescent on the wall. By executive order, I have opened billions of dollars in grant money to competition that includes faith-based charities. Tonight I ask you to codify this into law, so people of faith can know that the law will never discriminate against them again.

[SNIP]

The momentum of freedom in our world is unmistakable — and it is not carried forward by our power alone. We can trust in that greater power who guides the unfolding of the years. And in all that is to come, we can know that His purposes are just and true.

[END EXCERPTS]


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; bushamnesty; sotu
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To: ravingnutter
It's amazing how you folks can continue to address things I never disputed as a substitute for refuting the things I did dispute.
901 posted on 01/22/2004 11:42:15 AM PST by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: BJClinton
LOL. Um, the Dems boosted spending on every feel-good social program they could with Reagan. And Reagan had to go along with it if he wanted to get his military increases and tax-cuts through.

I'm not sure what you are talking about because, during his first 3 years, Bush has increased non-defense discretionary faster than Reagan by a wide margin.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0308-16.pdf
902 posted on 01/22/2004 11:42:38 AM PST by Your Nightmare
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To: exmarine
I have yet to be presented a reasonable arguement as to why I should not be upset with the policies that I disagree with.

All I ever hear is, "it could be worse and if it is it'll be your fault".

Total playground BS.

I refuse be afraid of what might happen but I can sure as hell be concerned about what I feel will continue to happen if we don't say something now.

903 posted on 01/22/2004 11:43:13 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Owen
GWB: It was the gun-rights 'extremists' who elected the Republican House in '94. And they were far more effective in implementing a conservative agenda than anything Bush has done. It was largely those same 'extremists' who defeated Gore in Arkansas and Tennessee in 2000.
Owen: I know of no statistical evidence to support either of these presumptions.

I know the Dims still flinch at the mention of gun control except in their most liberal bastions like New York. In 2000, they tested the idea that the '94 election was a fluke and they tested the waters of trying to stop the CCW juggernaut in the states. And they lost that bet.

You may not believe it. I don't care. But I do care that the Dims believe it. And they do.

Yes, principles matter. The Second Amendment does matter.

Owen: Indeed, mathematics preclude those presumptions being true. By definition, extremists are a group small in number. You are therefore incorrect.

Did you sleep through the 2000 election or something? Did you miss the part where Floriduh was decided on 500 votes? Miss the part where New Mexico was decided by even fewer votes?

You'll have to grant me a few doubts about your numerical prowess when you ignore the obvious results of the 2000 election. Simple arithmetic will suffice here, no need for calculus.

In most elections, the mushy middle prevails. But long term, it's the 'extremists' who win the day and determine the future.

BTW, you are aware that FR is considered, and in fact is, an extremist forum? I wouldn't bother with otherwise. Neither would anyone else.
904 posted on 01/22/2004 11:44:37 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: MEG33
LOL! We've got the radical Islamists stuck in the 8th Century or so, and many Bush haters on this forum stuck in the 18th. In the meantime, Mark Steyn notes that even many Dems are not jumping so far off the Bush-hating cliff that they are losing all touch with 2004. He says they are looking for nuance — something with which a number of posters here on FR most definitely are not acquainted.
905 posted on 01/22/2004 11:44:56 AM PST by Wolfstar (George W. Bush — the 1st truly great world leader of the 21st Century)
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To: Final Authority
I call for his impeachment

I was more-or-less with you up until there. Sorry FRiend, but that's just loony.
906 posted on 01/22/2004 11:45:07 AM PST by BJClinton (Vote Democrat, it's easier than thinking.)
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To: Howlin; ohioWfan
And now along comes somebody who believes Jim Robinson should OPUS on his own forum...........ROFLMAO.

Jim and President Bush have something in common. Both are constantly accused of alienating their conservative "base."

In case you ever wondered who the "base" is, look no further:


907 posted on 01/22/2004 11:46:05 AM PST by William Wallace (Darkdrake Lives!)
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To: MEG33
There was a time when I was, and there may be a time again when I am but in order for that to happen I will need to see some positive changes and so far I am not as hopeful about that happening as you are.

908 posted on 01/22/2004 11:46:26 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Constitution party here I come. Write in Tancredo in 04'!)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
FYI


BUSH/CHENEY O4....FOR THE SAKE OF OUR NATION
909 posted on 01/22/2004 11:46:29 AM PST by MEG33
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To: Bikers4Bush
Did anyone on this entire thread say that they were not upset with any of President Bush's policies??

The point is that he has done MANY conservative things (spelled out repeatedly).

Stop making things up.

910 posted on 01/22/2004 11:46:43 AM PST by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: George W. Bush
I never said to change your views or refrain from commenting. No attempt at squelching free speech, and I've never hit the abuse button on you(nice try with the innuendo.)

I only suggested that you change your freepname, instead of badmouthing the man whose name you are using, his policies, and his supporters. It is dishonest. I did not accuse you of being dishonest, since there was the chance that this irony hadn't been noticed by you. Now that you are aware of it, we'll see if you have the integrity to change your freepname to something more consistent with your words, actions, and beliefs, or consciously decide to be a fraud. The choice is yours, and will speak volumes about your character.

BTW, by changing your freepname and explaining why on your profile, or even by just simply noting in your tagline that you changed your freepname from George W. Bush, you'd be making quite a strong statement of dissatisfaction with him and/or his policies. And it would also be intellectually honest. Again, how is your trashing President Bush, his policies, and his supporters while posting under his name any different, other than by degree, from someone signing up as 'Ronald Reagan' and spouting Marxist slogans?

911 posted on 01/22/2004 11:46:49 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (www.firethebcs.com, www.weneedaplayoff.com, www.firemackbrown.com)
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To: zook
I'm sure he does and I'm sure I do. But note that we don't allow anyone to post anything here. Posts are often pulled that trash Bush, conservatives, Republicans, etc.

Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? I'm still here! I always say that it's better to give a resentment than get one. Enjoy yours!

912 posted on 01/22/2004 11:46:54 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bikers4Bush
I noticed that to. They do not try to refute the argument that Bush is a rino. They just say that if we do not support him we will get a dem. But the way things are going will we be able to tell the difference?
913 posted on 01/22/2004 11:47:47 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: duckln
Yep, I agree there.... That is where each of us can make the most impact....... locally.

Do it on Nov. 2 rather than Nov. 8 as the 2nd is election day.......

914 posted on 01/22/2004 11:48:21 AM PST by deport ( Owen, Kuhl, Brown, Pickering, Pryor, Allen.. [Estrada, they won])
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Oh come on. Bush is no conservative, and most everyone that's honest, knows this. It has become painfully, inordinately clear.

Seems to me he is a conservative, but not on the extreme right wing. He also gained experience as a Republican governor with Democrat dominance in the legislature. So he knows how to strive for big victories while letting the other side have little ones. Not always the most agreeable but it the way a system with more than one party works, when it works.

The man is a globalist. America is just another member that needs to be downsized

That is just a bizarre and completely out of touch comment. What other President is recent history has shown more contempt for the UN? Bush has been fiercely committed to protecting US interests. Where does this globalizing and downsizing slop come from?

915 posted on 01/22/2004 11:48:57 AM PST by Ophiucus
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To: George W. Bush
BTW, you are aware that FR is considered, and in fact is, an extremist forum?

Imagine how boring FR would be, if it weren't an extremist forum but a moderate forum instead. We'd be agreeing with each other all the time, and would never argue over anything, lol.

916 posted on 01/22/2004 11:49:28 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Nanodik
I don't believe it has ever been GWB's style to throw red meat to anyone. he is a leader who was chosen to be the AMERICAN president not the "right wing" President , the Democratic president, not the Republican president etc... he leads as he determines is best. I don't believe he is trying to be any put in any box of definition politically. I feel he is doing what he feels at this time is best for the country based on the information he has.

Now perhaps you are suggesting he has limited or wrong information? That is always possible. To me, it is doubtful.

no, I don't like some of the more socialistic tendencies.. but that does NOT make him socialistic in his overall philosophy. He has lots of bases as president to cover and most here at FR I have noted, feel that the important ones are done in a wonderful fashion. it is good to be able to discuss & continually observe how "blindly" OR enthusiastically we follow any leader.

when we question we will possibly modify our thoughts or perhaps change significantly..but often we are often just more resolved in our prior convictions.

That is what I have observed happening in many of this type of discussion
917 posted on 01/22/2004 11:49:55 AM PST by DollyCali (2004: Opportunity for love, growth, giving, doing..... It is our choice.)
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To: exmarine
I honor your service.I believe President Bush is the man for this time in history.


BUSH/CHENEY 04...FOR THE SAKE OF OUR NATION
918 posted on 01/22/2004 11:50:13 AM PST by MEG33
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To: Bikers4Bush; My2Cents
Bikers4Bush to My2Cents: You however have managed to take the debate to an alltime low.

I assure you, this isn't even close to an all-time low.

Sorry, My2Cents, you'll have to try harder...

; )
919 posted on 01/22/2004 11:50:37 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: af_vet_rr
Interesting point, but in this case, zook is acting like nazi-like in his desire to silence my voice in this forum. I call em as I see em.
920 posted on 01/22/2004 11:50:43 AM PST by exmarine ( sic semper tyrannis)
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