So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[Wolfstar]

Last I checked, the title is President of the United States, not president of the Republicans, or Democrats, or conservatives, or liberals, or libertarians, etc. Even before Washington was elected our first president — in fact, during the debates as the Constitution was being written — the hallmark of the presidency was that it was to be the one national elective office that represented ALL the people and ALL the states.

A president has to call each issue like he sees it, all the while knowing that in a nation as vast as this, it is inevitable that at least a few million people will disagree with him on nearly every decision.

The intellectually honest, fair-minded among us will never expect to agree with any other human being — including a president — 100% of the time. Fair-minded people who claim to be (or to have been) suporters of a president will evaluate the totality of that president's record. In the case of George W. Bush, on a host of issues, this has been the most conservative president since Ronald Reagan. In some respects, more conservative.

[Bikers4Bush]

You call bloating entitlement programs and big government, allowing the 1st to get trampled and rewarding illegal aliens conservative?

He has lost my vote, it's up to him to earn it back. So far he is failing miserably.

[PhiKapMom]

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[ConservativeMan55]

Thanks!

[RiflemanSharpe]

I have one point I wish for you to consider, if you would be so kind. If a dem spent money they it has been spent in the past few years, if a dem sign the pill bill, if a dem affected our constitutional rights the way finance reform and the patriot act have (I am very skeptical of any attack on my rights for any reason.), if a dem proposed the amnesty, if a dem says that he sign an extention to the assault weapons ban, if a dem grew the size of government the way this President has we would all be howling mad and marching on Washington with torches.

I am not saying that GWB does not have many positives, he does but to me his negative now out weight them. If he, for example, would drop the amnesty and cut spending I would be happy to reevaluate him. I am not naive enough to think I can ever get all I want from a politicain in terms of his views, but now the issues he is for that I oppose are more to me then those I agree with him.

[Porterville]

He might have lost your vote, but I don't think I or anybody else really cares except some crack pot Buchaninites.

GEORGE BUSH IS AWESOME.

[looscnnn]

"I oppose amnesty, because it would encourage further illegal immigration, and unfairly reward those who break our laws. My temporary worker program will preserve the citizenship path for those who respect the law, while bringing millions of hardworking men and women out from the shadows of American life."


As I and others have posted in other threads, let's look at the facts( http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109026,00.html ):

"An amnesty is a general pardon granted by a government for a past offense. Crossing a U.S. border without a visa is a misdemeanor under federal law, and reentering the U.S. after a prior order of deportation is a felony. Under Bush’s proposal, these crimes will not be prosecuted, and that means it is an amnesty. But Bush goes on to offer the perpetrators visas and work permits, so it is not entirely accurate to call the Bush proposal an amnesty. It is an amnesty with an awards program."

His proposal contradicts what he is saying.

[steve50]

He made "conservative" noises when he was campaigning last time around as well. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice....

[Peach]

Well stated. After reading the liberal press for days about some of his programs, I was dismayed as they sounded like liberal give-away programs.

After listening to his speech, I was not surprised to find the press had it wrong, again.

There are a few matters we wish the president would address differently. But to think a Democrat would handle those matters better or more conservatively is to be living in a dreamworld.

To stay home and not vote is idiocy and I do hope those posters don't show up to complain after election day if a Rat is elected and does things that will place this country in a more precarious position.

[Bikers4Bush]

Keep thinking that way because as we all know he won last time by a landslide right?

[dagnabbit]

How many times do you have to be told? It's not amnesty.
Amnesty means only instant citizenship and a free car to all illegals, issued on a Wednesday.

[Bikers4Bush]

Don't make sense, it just confuses them.

[looscnnn]

I sure hope you are being sarcastic.

[Lurker]

You can listen to what he says if you like. I'll pay attention to what he does.

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[kayak]

Well done! Thank you!

[Bikers4Bush]

That's right, I forgot. Even if it strictly fits the definition of amnesty it's not because he says it isn't.

My mistake.

[LandofLincoln]

He might be conservative, but he is A HELL OF A LOT MORE COMPASSIONATE, than conservative. If a Dem spent money like he did you would be SCREEEEEEEEMING.

[looscnnn]

You forgot to tell him that he is being a traitor, that he is going to vote for Dean, blah blah blah.

[mdefranc]

Wolfstar: "this has been the most conservative president since Ronald Reagan. In some respects, more conservative."

Gee, Wolfstar, in precisely what respects has Bush been more conservative than Reagan?

[proxy_user]

"We're requiring higher standards [in schools]. We are regularly testing every child on the fundamentals. We are reporting results to parents, and making sure they have better options when schools are not performing.

And where in the Constitution does it say that education is a Federal concern?

"Our agenda for jobs and growth must help small business owners and employees with relief from needless federal regulation, and protect them from junk and frivolous lawsuits.

Most of these lawsuits take place in state courts. The Federal government has no authority over the tort system of states.

"On the critical issue of health care, our goal is to ensure that Americans can choose and afford private health care coverage that best fits their individual needs.

The Constitution does not mention paying you doctor bills.

"One of the worst decisions our children can make is to gamble their lives and futures on drugs. Our government is helping parents confront this problem with aggressive education, treatment, and law enforcement. Drug use in high school has declined by 11 percent over the last two years. Four hundred thousand fewer young people are using illegal drugs than in the year 2001.

Not only is this not mentioned in the Constitution, but for the first 150 years of our Republic there were no laws against drug possession.

"That statute protects marriage under federal law as a union of a man and a woman, and declares that one state may not redefine marriage for other states.

This seems clearly contrary to clear statements in the Constitution. An amendment would probably be required.