So you think George W. Bush is not a conservative?

SOTU transcript ^ | 1/22/04

[woodyinscc]

Two terms of a liberal Adm. and we will have a losing nat. debate over our military being controlled by the U.N. and the enactment of laws in consideration of the E.U. This election will set the road we are to go down. Think a little, is this the road you want to follow?

[Charlotte Corday]

Hey exmarine:

Check my posts, and you'll see that you may have forgotten to engage your irony compensator-----

best,

Charlotte

[Howlin]

I have no clue what you are talking about. Even though you posted it twice.

Go bait somebody else.

[GmbyMan]

I would like to add to what others have written that George W. Bush has advocated drilling in ANWR more than any other President and I believe that he may eventually get it done. He also has touched the third rail in politics and is pushing the Social Security Private Accounts button very hard. Bush is a conservative. He isn't a perfect conservative but he is a conservative. The difference between what he wishes to enact and propose and what John Kerry wants is night and day. The choice could not clearer or easier. Those who vote for some third, fourth or fifth party are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

[novacation]

Wow! The Bushbots really jumped you. You are correct. He is failing the American people in so many ways he doesn't deserve to be reelected.

[Jen]

Thanks PKM, Wolfstar! Bump!

[Protagoras]

"Today's Republicans not only like Bush personally, they also overwhelmingly support his policies."

Big statement, backed up by TWO examples, both slam dunks.

" According to a Pew Center study, 85 percent of Republicans support the war in Iraq, 82 percent believe that preemptive war is justified, and 72 percent believe the United States is justified in holding terror suspects without trial."

Those two slam dunks aside, the article doesn't prove what he said, much less what the poster said.

It's a fairy tale.

[exmarine]

I don't think you'd want to go toe to toe on morality with many of the pro-Bush people on this forum, marine. I don't think you'd win.........

hahaha. Do you think this is some sort of contest? Battle of prideful people perhaps? Let me frame it for you: THE FUTURE OF AMERICA IS AT STAKE. SOCIALISM = SLAVERY.

[Howlin]

Wow, it had a different title when it was posted on FR; what's up with that?

[Mo1]

Keep things in some perspective...... Sharpe can vote for CP till the cows come home and not make a bit of difference here in TX.

True .. it's the BS from the CP and how they think we need to put another Dem in the WH to teach republicans a lesson that bothers me

I don't like playing games with my life, your life and the lives of our children

If I wanted to commit suicide, I'd step in front of a bus instead of putting a dem in the WH where everyone else would have to pay the price

[looscnnn]

I can't understand some of the people here. They say we are a very small minority, but then they start with the "Danger Will Robinson. Danger." "it is your fault that Bush will loose the election". Are we maybe a bigger group than we realize?

[carton253]

After all, wouldn't more muslims be mad that he got reelected and would join up?

No... because you have mistaken why muslims are joining up in the first place.

[MEG33]

Are you suggesting you make moral decisions when voting and I do not?

[PhiKapMom]

I can't fathom seeing any of the liberal Democrat candidates --- Kerry, Dean, Edwards, Clark or Hillary --- sitting in the Oval Office attempting to prosecute the WoT.

Thanks for posting -- very well stated. This paragraph is the one that really stands out to me -- thinking of any of those four in the White House sends chills up and down my spine. Also why I will spend every available moment to support the reelection campaign. To me the WOT is the most important issue of the campaign.

[Howlin]

Those two slam dunks aside, the article doesn't prove what he said, much less what the poster said. It's a fairy tale.

It proves EXACTLY what I said.

And your reply proves you're a dishonest poster who only wants the issue.

Face it; 91 percent of US approve of Bush.

[Howlin]

Of course he is.

[DrDeb]

Let me just add some HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE:

"Conservative purists" excoriated President Reagan just as they now excoriate President Bush.

Many of these "purists" deserted President Reagan in the second and third year of his first term when he both increased spending/deficits (to the HIGHEST levels EVER as % of GDP) and rescinded many of the tax cuts that he had passed just the year before! President Reagan's approval ratings plummeted to the 30s/40s, not to recover until the 4th year of his first-term when 'perceptible' economic growth occurred just in time to secure the President's re-election.

In his second term, President Reagan again experienced the rath of "conservative purists" when he "softened" his policies relative to the Soviet Union (read withdrawing missiles from Europe). This "softening" coincided with a blanket amnesty for illegal immigrants, a mild recession and the Iran-Contra controversy. Needless to say, the President's approval ratings again plummeted and really didn't recover until he left office -- at which time, the disaffected "purists" began to 're-write' their perceptions of the Reagan presidency. In particular, they decided to retrospectively applaud President Reagan for DOING WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT, NOT WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS POLITICALLY OR IDEOLOGICALLY EXPEDIENT! [Can anyone spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y?!]

[Of course, the re-writers did NOT include Reagan's OMB Director or his Secretary of the Treasury (during his first term), both of whom wrote devastating critiques of both the President and his economic policies! "Conservative purists" can be brutal -- even to their supposed heroes!]

[George W. Bush]

Was I taken aback by GWB and his policy...Yes! But on second look I see a man putting his arms around an issue that everyone else was afraid to do...AND LOOK WHERE THAT GOT US....DITTO IRAQ! By bringing this issue to the forefront...GWB has invoked us all to speak and we will be heard..ALL OF THIS SO FAR IS JUST AN OUTLINE!

Well, true enough.

Given his miserable appeal to blacks and Hispanics in 2000, GWB is actually destroying the future of the GOP by bringing new Dims into the country. The Rovian fantasy of bringing Hispanics into the GOP will simply never work; we can never outbid the Dims with certain minority groups.

Even if he gets his don't-call-it-amnesty program through, Bush won't improve his standing with Hispanics. But even more of them will be voting for Dims.

How can you deny it, living in California for so long? You've seen it there already. Now it will spread everywhere else.

[exmarine]

If you think you're a conservative, but at the same time you want Bush to lose, and thereby allow a Democrat to win, then you're indeed something like a wingnut and really ought to find another forum.

I don't want Bush to lose, I want a man who will act on true conservative values, and he hasn't been doing it. As I said, I like Bush personally, but I can't accept his policies - they are detrimental to a free country. Socialism is a cancer that leads to slavery, and his immigration proposal is an abomination. And I will speak in this forum as long as I like - this forum isn't called "communist dictatorship", it's called "free republic." I don't think it matters what rational arguments are presented - people like you just hate the fact that there are conservatives who vote on principle not party. Get used to it - it's a reality.

[Howlin]

I can't fathom seeing any of the liberal Democrat candidates --- Kerry, Dean, Edwards, Clark or Hillary --- sitting in the Oval Office attempting to prosecute the WoT.

That part is enough for me........LOL.