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Turning Back the Clock to Daylight Mania Time -- Economic Commentary by Bill Fleckenstein
Fleckensteincapital.com ^ | 1/16/04 | Bill Fleckenstein

Posted on 01/19/2004 7:02:01 PM PST by arete

This morning I thought I'd stumbled into Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine and been transported to an earlier time. I have noted many of the signs of speculation seen recently, and I'm sure folks can come up with plenty of stories as well. But the example I'm about to share strikes me as the most vivid case of deja-vu thus far:

Potluck Price-Targeting:

A dead fish at Morgan Stanley downgraded Qualcomm (QCOM) this morning from equal weight to overweight, based on valuation, but raised his price target from $60 to $70. That disconnect of a stock downgrade and price-target upgrade was one of my favorite examples of dead-fish lunacy during the mania. Back then, dead fish would up their targets willy-nilly, and this ridiculous practice has been going on for a while now. Speculative fervor is also unmistakable in the action of Taser International (TASR), which, as I noted the other day, went wild on the back of a three-for-one stock split. At one point today, it was again up over 10%.

The frosting on the deja-vu cake came in the form of today's consumer confidence number, which weighed in at 103.2, versus expectations of 94 -- the highest sentiment poll reading since November 2000. (The stock-market animal spirits have gotten the blood racing of that population subset from Michigan.) I might also cite a story in today's Wall Street Journal titled "Rising Stocks, Home Values Are Restoring Wealth," which says that when you add stocks and bonds together, folks' net worth nearly matches levels seen back in 2000. That observation, of course, overlooks the tremendous damage suffered by lots of people. I would guess that now, the rich have gotten richer, while folks of lesser means haven't done as well. Though Easy Al has presided over yet another wealth transfer, this one will also be temporary, to some degree, and when the dislocations occur, you can be sure that for the most part, "littler guys" will get hurt worse than the bigger guys.

Kinky Trumps Frumpy:

Turning to the market action, we had a few wild swings in the early going, the net of which saw the Nasdaq up 1%. But the Dow and S&P basically spun their wheels, even given the sentiment data. And, despite some 50 headlines heralding GE's "good" news (in which each division was sliced and diced to enhance overall appearances), revenues rose just 4% year-over-year, and the stock was only up about 1% in the early going. Why buy GE, I guess, when you can buy RIMM or TASR?

In any case, for the first half of the day, the market basically flopped and chopped in a wide range and then started to grind higher, settling on the highs of a day that saw speculation spearhead the charge to the upside. On that score, I'd like to toss out another nugget: Looking at the combined most-active list for all the exchanges, provided by Bloomberg, I saw that of the 28 most active companies, 15 were under $10, of which 11 were under $7. So, speculation is alive and well, in every guise ever seen during the previous mania -- not to be confused with its younger sibling that we are experiencing today.

Anatomy of a Commodity Correction:

Away from stocks, the euro was taken to the woodshed today as more gurus at the ECB admonished their currency for appreciating too much. One grand poo-bah said the dollar will be discussed at the G7 shrimp fest a couple weeks from now. So, in the belaboring-the-obvious department, the currency correction continues apace. One point I might make about commodities (with currencies being in that category): After things have had an extended run in one direction -- to the upside, in this instance -- every day that they close poorly would tend to indicate more weakness yet ahead. These corrections continue until Mr. Market shakes out every weak-handed holder that there is. In any event, by the end of the day, all the currencies had been roughed up against the dollar, with the euro finishing down 1.5% and the Canadian/Aussie dollars down about 0.5% and 1%, respectively.

As for the metals, gold was surprisingly quiet overnight, but down 0.5% in New York trading, while at the same time silver was up 2%. So, the difference in fundamentals appears to be supporting silver right now, which is not to say it's immune to a white-knuckle ride of a few days. But I think silver's recent action reflects its superior supply/demand story, which of course is predicated on investment demand. The case for being bullish on gold rests on the same premise, but the supply/demand equation is not as strong.

Silver: A More Precocious Precious Metal?:

That doesn't mean folks should rush out and buy silver today. But it just may be that as this correction runs its course, silver will turn first, rather than gold. I'm happy to see folks champion silver, considering that as recently as six months ago, they dismissed the notion that when precious-metals investment came into its own, silver would go up the most.

Meanwhile, folks need to remember that the desire to own the precious metals expresses a state of mind, a no-confidence vote in paper currency. The ECB talking heads have helped clarify that issue by stating they don't want their currency to go up too much. That is the problem with all these currencies, as I noted the other day: When all is said and done, they are just paper. Further down the road, even holders of euros will decide that they'd better own some metals.

Wow! Bidding-War Wooing in Japan:

Before making a final point about rampant speculation, I would like to draw folks' attention to something potentially worthwhile occurring in a place where speculation has been for the most part stamped out. A story in today's Journal titled "For First Time, Japanese Firms Face Foreign Hostile Takeovers" says that in two cases where a hostile bid has been made, a second, higher, offer has been made.

Jim Grant, the extraordinarily fine writer of Grant's Interest Rate Observer and several books, also runs a small-cap value fund in Japan and has regaled me with stories of how cheap assets are there. I've noted in the past that a handful of buyout funds have headed to Japan, and as this story says, a few hostile bids have occurred. But the fact that hostile bids are now being topped is, I think, an important data point.

Last fall I mused that it might be time to invest in Japan. I almost, but did not, commit some money there. That has been a bad decision thus far, because not only has that market done better, but the yen has risen. In any case, were I not so bearish on the ability of our problems to affect the world, I would certainly be putting investment dollars in Japan, and I intend to pay closer attention to all things Japanese prospectively. Yes, I know there are plenty of problems in Japan, but what matters is that in many cases, the prices there reflect those problems. It's just the opposite of what's going on here, where the prices reflect perfection, and the underlying fundamentals are anything but perfect.

Before a Slide, How High the Upside?:

Lastly, I'd like to make a point about speculators' desire to find a party, wherever that takes them. If one steps back from the tape, one can see that housing and retail stocks have been dogging it, due to what looks to be an increasingly tired consumer. I think that consumer-oriented stocks, be they retail or housing, are exhibiting the same tiredness. Meanwhile, what's happening in the tape is that as folks are leaving those areas behind, they're moving into more and more speculative ideas, as I've described above.

That's all symptomatic of being very late in the game. It's not, however, possible to guess how much more speculative things can get before the upside is over. In the fall of 1999, every speculative thing you could ask for was happening, but there were a whole lot of points left on the upside in the last four months. Who would have ever thought that 2000 would get as crazy as it did? Who would have ever thought folks would forget just how a party like that ends?


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bonds; boom; bubble; bust; crash; credit; currency; debt; deflation; depression; dollar; economy; fed; fraud; gold; inflation; investing; jobs; money; recession; silver; stockmarket
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That doesn't mean folks should rush out and buy silver today. But it just may be that as this correction runs its course, silver will turn first, rather than gold. I'm happy to see folks champion silver, considering that as recently as six months ago, they dismissed the notion that when precious-metals investment came into its own, silver would go up the most.

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Another interesting recent article from Fleckenstein here:

If 2004 goes bad, it will go really bad

During the second hour of Sunday's Roger Arnold show, Roger had Tom Barthelemy on as a guest. Roger and Tom discussed the prospects for the gold and silver markets. Barthelemy said to buy silver "every day". Arnold thinks gold could correct down to 350-380 in reaction to the dollar.

First Hour of Roger Arnold

Second Hour of Roger Arnold

Finally, for anyone out there who missed the excellent FSO broadcast discussion:

Jim Puplava, Bill Murphy & Eric King - 3 Bulls on an Island of Worry

Richard W.

1 posted on 01/19/2004 7:02:02 PM PST by arete
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To: Tauzero; imawit; Dukie; Matchett-PI; Moonman62; Free Vulcan; Wyatt's Torch; Huck; ken5050; ...
FYI

Comments and opinions welcome.

Richard W.

2 posted on 01/19/2004 7:02:57 PM PST by arete (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.)
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To: arete
And just another hint of the good times to come...oh and by the way gang, these types of redemptions are usually the forerunner of insolvency in 3rd world nations...

US Treasury to stop paying interest and require redemption of May 1979 bonds
3 posted on 01/19/2004 7:13:17 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
"US Treasury to stop paying interest and require redemption of May 1979 bonds"

That's really going to piss off a lot of seniors.
4 posted on 01/19/2004 7:55:46 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: dalereed
"That's really going to piss off a lot of seniors."

Especially if they ignore the small print in the flyer sent with their monthly statements from their brokers.
5 posted on 01/19/2004 8:00:53 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
Three questions. First, has the U.S. Treasury ever done this before? Second, has any first world nation ever done this before? Third, what are people going to get back for these bonds?
6 posted on 01/19/2004 8:06:00 PM PST by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: Elliott Jackalope
"First, has the U.S. Treasury ever done this before?"

Rarely, usually only during times of war, then re-issuing war bonds.

"Second, has any first world nation ever done this before?"

To my recollection, only Argentina and Italy.

"Third, what are people going to get back for these bonds?"

Par. That's it. The advantage to these Jimmy Carter era high inflation bonds was the interest payments.
7 posted on 01/19/2004 8:09:32 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: arete; Beck_isright
My my my.

Now the Treasury is going to refi ? For 'the purpose of saving interest payments'? Don't tell me they're not also going to take cash out are they ? Are they going to redeem with dollars in reserve ? How much balance is in the checking account anyway ? What are they putting up as collateral ? What's their payment history ? Wonder where they're getting the better interest rate ? Any closing costs ?

This isn't costing you and me anything is it ???????

OH ! This is excess no cost dollars sept up off the the print shop. Only cost is the paper and ink and this was going to be trashed anyway. Noooooooo ! Boy are they getting sharp and efficient.
8 posted on 01/19/2004 8:14:47 PM PST by imawit
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To: imawit
I thought you might enjoy that link that I just found tonight. It is down right terrifying. I'm upping my silver and gold orders on every dip. This is a clear cut sign that the United States Treasury doesn't even have faith in the purchasing power of the dollar. The exact same dollar they print!
9 posted on 01/19/2004 8:18:38 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
"This is a clear cut sign that the United States Treasury doesn't even have faith in the purchasing power of the dolar"

They never did, that's why they print so many of them!

The sheeple have been eating it up for 90 years and still don't know the suckers they are being made of.
10 posted on 01/19/2004 8:23:44 PM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: dalereed
" The sheeple have been eating it up for 90 years and still don't know the suckers they are being made of."

What the sheeple don't know is the effect on their pension plans. This will cripple many of them depending on that coupon thus causing a reshuffling of assets. If your pention purchased those bonds in 79-89 at those rates as part of your pension plan, the impact is immeasurable. This is one but of many impacts.
11 posted on 01/19/2004 8:26:43 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
Lets see how well this is remembered when the Treasury has to try and get someone to buy the long bond at whatever rate the market determines once the music stops and everyone starts running for a chair. The Treasury might find itself standing all by itself. Then I think we will see what happens when the mother of all debtor nations can't get people to join in any of their reindeer games. It will likely be like my ex-wife's family reunions...loud, ugly and nothing you want to be around.
12 posted on 01/19/2004 8:27:17 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog; All
After first reading that notice, I'm just curious; what was your first reaction?
13 posted on 01/19/2004 8:28:06 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
After first reading that notice, I'm just curious; what was your first reaction?

Several euphemisms for urination and deification, along with a few shocked and hyphenated quips with various New Testament names mixed in. To keep it short and cleaned up enough for kids to read..."They did this with a straight face?!"

14 posted on 01/19/2004 8:39:10 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog
"They did this with a straight face?!"

Obviously. I linked it to their website. I'm still in shock. You're talking about stealing interest payments from seniors basically. And to make it worse, yes, it's with a straight face.
15 posted on 01/19/2004 8:42:40 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Elliott Jackalope; arete; imawit
Just curious. Did you read the link from the US Treasury and what was your initial reaction?
16 posted on 01/19/2004 8:43:22 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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To: Beck_isright
United States Treasury doesn't even have faith in ... the dollar

They're definitely trying to get past something very near term, regardless of what it takes. This certainly does not bode well for the future.

17 posted on 01/19/2004 8:45:42 PM PST by imawit
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To: Beck_isright
That link deserves a thread of it's own. I'd like to see the cheerleaders and clueless bots step up to the plate on this one.
18 posted on 01/19/2004 8:45:59 PM PST by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Orangedog
"Then I think we will see what happens when the mother of all debtor nations can't get people to join in any of their reindeer games."

That's a great image. Kinda makes me want to.....sing.....

Greenspan the old Fed chairman
Had a very massive debt.
And if you ever saw it,
Your pants would soon be quite wet.

All of the other countries
started ditching their greenbacks
they didn't want to own bonds
printed by financial hacks.

Then one triple witching day
John Law* came to say
Greenspan, could you use your press
to print us out of this mess?

Then all the people loved him,
until they were forced to see
that all their cash was good for
was to use as their T.P.

* John Law was a Scottish banker who emigrated to France and became financial adviser to Louis XV. He eventually gave King Louis ample reason to wish that the Scot had never left his native land. Law recommended the establishment of La Banque Royale which became commonly known as La Banque de Law. This bank received all of the King's revenues against which it issued notes in ever-increasing quantities. John Law also engineered the setting up of the Company of the West (later the Company of the Indies) which controlled the foreign trade of France, including Louisiana and New France. In 1719 John Law was given the sole right to coin the national currency. The value of the shares of the Company of the Indies rose rapidly from 500 livres per share to 20,000 livres. Complete collapse of his schemes came in 1720 with the bursting of the "Mississippi Bubble.'' Law left France in disgrace in 1720. The "John Law" coins were issued in copper, silver and gold and circulated to some extent in New France. The piece illustrated, from the National Currency Collection of the Bank of Canada, is a silver livre of about the same size and value as an English shilling. Source: http://collections.ic.gc.ca/bank/english/emar72.htm

19 posted on 01/19/2004 8:46:32 PM PST by Elliott Jackalope (We send our kids to Iraq to fight for them, and they send our jobs to India. Now THAT'S gratitude!)
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To: imawit
" This certainly does not bode well for the future."

I'm buying more silver, that's for sure.
20 posted on 01/19/2004 8:50:11 PM PST by Beck_isright ("Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."-Alexander Hamilton)
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