Conservative groups break with Republican leadership

The Washington Times ^ | 1/16/2004 | Ralph Z. Hallow

[Ricardo4CP]

National leaders of six conservative organizations yesterday broke with the Republican majorities in the House and Senate, accusing them of spending like "drunken sailors," and had some strong words for President Bush as well...

[Indy Pendance]

The immigration issue has been ignored the past couple years. President Bush laid out ideas to get the ball rolling. Many of his ideas are just that, ideas. Yet, there are many here at Free Republic who think the laws have been written.

There are lots of people posting daily. And it’s probably a safe bet to say, the majority of them avoid these threads, such as myself. Why is that? Because if we express one opinion that doesn’t mesh with the crowd, we are automatically told to go drink kool aid, are a Bush-bot, to lick the nazi boots, etc. It’s not that we agree with the proposal, we are questioning what is the best way to address this issue. Would you prefer that President Bush did not bring this issue up for debate?

You won’t win people to your way of thinking using that tactic. Your point can be made using logic and facts. If you have facts about the immigration proposal, post them and discuss them. Maybe you will win more to your way of thinking, maybe you can concede some of their points. The attack mode is turning off many would be supporters. United, we will achieve more than the current division running rampant on these threads.

Just for fun, post a thread, ask, ‘How many Freepers do not post on the immigration threads because of the flame wars?’ It would be interesting to see the type of responses you get.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

You are correct, we had a Senate that went south for a while thanks to Jumpin' Jim Jeffords, but the public rallied behind the President and gave the majority back on 2002.

We are still making headway and this election will prove that the Democrats have alienated the public with their rabid negativity and that turns people away.

The rabid conservatives will do the same thing by being so unreasonably critical of the President especially during these times. And the ones who have left this forum will find nothing but empty disappointment for not joining the overall effort.

Learn from the serious mistakes the DUmocrats are making and don't repeat them. That's a solid formula for success.

[BigSkyFreeper]

OK, maybe that's what I was thinking. I remember vaguely he was running for President under a different banner, I just couldn't remember which one.

[sauropod]

Politicians are by definition egotistical.

[jgrubbs]

The 1996 GOP platform called for abolishing the Department of Education and ending "federal meddling in schools.", it also called for eliminating the departments of Commerce, Energy, and Housing and Urban Development and the National Endowment for the Arts.

All of this has been dropped from the current GOP platform, read more at NewsMax.com

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/7/28/00148

[NewLand]

"Democrats or Republicans, the results are the same."

Democrat results last 30 years;

-18% interest rates, stagflation
-America taken hostage and embarrassed
-Military weakened by intent
-Dictators coddled or feared
-Attempted takeover of private health care industry
-Nuclear and missle technology provided to Communist China
-Hundred's of EO's/PDD's that include sovereignty of UN over US military
-Blind eye on growth of terrorist networks
-Pardoning of 300 criminals and terrorists

Republican results last 30 years:

-Tax reductions
-Show down with USSR...we win!
-Military investments are made, and pay off!
-We stand up to dictators and win!
-Economic recovery started in 80's still going
-Taking on terrorists head on and winning!

Your ignorance to reality would allow another Democrat regime to take over. How important will federal spending be when your family gets wiped out in another wave of terrorism? Call the UN...

[Joe Hadenuf]

What is more important? The Republican Party or America?

That would make a good tag line for someone.

[WorkingClassFilth]

My political memory goes back a fair ways so I think a have a modest barometer of experience to confirm what I believe ideologically and what I deduce from history.

It has taken us over 70 years to get to the state of socialism that we are at today. It will take time to reverse political trends and none of it will be accomplished in one or two election cycles. The alternatives, like it or not, are much worse.

Conversely, if real change is not possible, we may come to a place where revolution may occur again. However, the kind of petulant factionalism rooted in impulse gratification I see from many here is no recipe for reform in the short or long-term.

In any event, the left in this country has never been so clearly knocked off of their game. On top of that, they have unquestionably lost the moral high-ground and are fighting for their political lives. I don't care where you go, the left is defensive, defensive, defensive. Inroads on a score of fronts have been made and they, of all people, are the most aware of the damage inflicted.

Like the apogee at the top of a curve, some slowing of the ascent, the zenith and the beginning of the descent are almost indistinguishable from one another. To my mind, transitions are never periods of clarity or satisfaction.

Hold tight, but shooting yourself in the foot makes no sense whatsoever. Are you working for local conservatives, or do you just spend time worrying because the national scene isn't draconian enough for you?

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Bingo! A whole lot of bluster goin' on!

[sauropod]

He quoted the poster he was responding to. How about reading the thread?

[sauropod]

Then can we count on you to be a little more civil?

[sauropod]

BOHICA.

[sauropod]

I personally hope its 80 years...

[Indy Pendance]

And it's both sides, not one or the other, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[NewLand]

You'll see a difference.....when the terrorists wipe out your family

Great minds think alike...while you were posting this, I was writing my diatribe that ended with the same statement (see #286) .

What fools! I'm being kind by calling them fools because the only alternative would be that they are saboteurs for the RATS.

[Indy Pendance]

Remember this? It's going to take a long time to overcome the past 70 years of democrat control. We are just starting people. We have to keep pushing, but we have to remain united.

Look at the history of the congresses over the past 70+ years, starting with the 72nd congress. Also, notice the wide margins at times in which they controlled, for example, the 75th congress: 89 republicans, 333 democrats, and 13 others. The senate has similar numbers.

Since 1933, the democrats had control of the House except for the 83rd, 107th and 108th congress. The 83rd was struggling over McCarthy, and that lasted 2 short years. So, for the past three years, the republicans were supposed to turn around this liberal monster around. In three years? The majority of sheeple would not go for the removal of all their social welfare programs. The liberal monster has infiltrated all aspects of our society. I'm surprised after reviewing just how much power the Democrats had there are any conservatives left. We hung on to fight, and we should not quit after only 3 years of control.

Also, think back to 1936. I don't believe the democrats had been infighting publicly the way the conservatives are today. They understood the plan. Incrementalism and keep your fights private, appear united. Which is exactly the tactic we have to use in order to return our country back to it's original intent.

It is feasible for the republicans to turn around 70 years of socialism. It is not going to be done in a couple years. I wish it were otherwise, but we have to be pragmatic. I'm sticking with the republicans because they have the infrastructure in place. Use the Republican party to advance conservatism, like the socialists and commies use the Democrats. Take advantage of it.

[Afronaut]

Many people here have read everything about the Presidents sell-out of America. Just that he even said what he said should raise the hairs on the back of your neck. I cannot agree with your getting the ball rolling talking point for one minute. There has been much written about the Amnesty he is proposing. Many people here are very educated on the subject. George Bush if he were a Democrat would bring down the F.R. Servers, but that is another thread.

BTW Howard Dean will never get the Rat nomination. Get that straight right now. He is a retard.

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

One of the problems with closing the border is, it happens to be several hundred miles long and covers such a vast area. it would be difficult to do even with several hundred thousand troops and a solid fence built across it.

It is just not something that can be accomplished in short order. The president would certainly have done that if he were able.

Never before have so many hard opinions been formed under so much misinformation or here say as has recently. Therefore, I reserve judgment for the time I see the facts as they truly are, not by what I assume they are or what someone else tells me they are.

[NewLand]

How about reading the thread?

I read it all. Did you? The original post by moondoogie was sarcastic and refuting those who would vote for a third party or not vote at all. Sourpuss ends his reply by seriously stating that Bush is to blame for all that and we will continue to get more of that.

I think I got it and you missed it...moondoggie?

[Columbine]

What is more important? The Republican Party or America?

So you think if the Republicans lose that will save America?

That is some twisted thinking.