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Cleveland Plain Dealer Declares War on Citizens of Ohio.
Tasty Manatees ^ | January 12, 2004 | Posted by Ryan

Posted on 01/12/2004 3:36:08 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner

Cleveland Plain Dealer Declares War on Citizens of Ohio. I am not exaggerating when I say that this story is truly disturbing. The Cleveland Plain Dealer has just stated that it will publish the names and addresses of every person who avails themselves of Ohio's new concealed carry permit law and applies for such a permit.

The editors of the Plain Dealer explained thusly:

Journalists will be able to access permit information because of their profession. But you - as a doctor, lawyer or factory worker - won't be able to determine whether your neighbor or ex-husband has obtained a permit.

That sort of exclusion is neither fair nor rational public policy.

Since Taft chooses to hide behind journalists on this vital public-records matter, it is this newspaper's intention to obtain this information and publish it. Our readers deserve to know the identities of those who obtain permits to carry their guns in public. We hope other news organizations will do the same in their communities.

Taft and the legislature are demonstrating a flagrant disregard for the public's right to know. It is incumbent upon the news media to help right their wrong.

Permit-holders' names and addresses in print, because you have the "right to know".

I see.

Oddly enough, neither the Plain Dealers' owner, Don Newhouse, nor the editor responsible for the piece, Douglas Clifton, chose not to sign their names to their explicit threat against the citizens of Ohio. Nor did they choose to share their home addresses and telephone numbers with the public.

In the spirit of the public's "right to know", I will be happy to publish the owner's/editors' home addresses and phone numbers here and ensure their widespread distribution, should the newspaper ever follow through with the amazing threats they are making against the people of Ohio. In addition, should the newspaper force it on me, I will be happy to share information about Newhouse's other holdings, such as his stakes (and family stakes) in other businesses in your area that are dependent on the general public's good will


TOPICS: US: Ohio; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bang; ccw; guncontrol; plaindealer; privacy
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To: DarkWaters
In many states you are liable if your gun is stolen from your home and used in the commission of a crime.
21 posted on 01/12/2004 3:58:51 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: tomakaze
If you lived in Ohio and had a firearm in your home you certainly WOULD care who knew!
22 posted on 01/12/2004 3:59:46 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: BOBWADE
ping
23 posted on 01/12/2004 4:02:30 PM PST by Mrs Zip
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I assume they're also going to publish the names and addresses of anyone who doesn't owna weapon, right?
24 posted on 01/12/2004 4:23:24 PM PST by SAMWolf (Meddle not in the affairs of wizards, for <>...ribbit.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
If I'm packin, I want everyone to know it. Especially that punk mugger in the park. I would even wear a sign on me saying "I'm professin Smith and Wesson"
25 posted on 01/12/2004 4:35:25 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: DarkWaters
"In the spirit of the public's "right to know", I will be happy to publish the owner's/editors' home addresses and phone numbers here and ensure their widespread distribution, should the newspaper ever follow through with the amazing threats they are making against the people of Ohio."

Let's include Elizabeth "I love anything Muslim" Sullivan.

26 posted on 01/12/2004 4:41:43 PM PST by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: fish hawk
The only real problem here is advertising who has guns in their house. It invites criminals to break in when the homeowners are away from home. The PD lost me as a customer a few years ago. It is ridiculous that they could act so put out. The journalists fought to get themselves access on this bill and Taft conceded and made it mandatory in order for him to sign it.
27 posted on 01/12/2004 4:55:22 PM PST by Tuxedo (In Stereo Where Available)
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To: SAMWolf
This is the way to turn the issue around.

Publish the name and home address of the papers editors along with the notice the editors choose NOT to obtain a CCW and can be assumed by burglers, robbers and rapists to be unarmed.
28 posted on 01/12/2004 5:07:28 PM PST by ibbryn (this tag intentionally left blank)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
OK, everyone gets a permit, or pretends they got one and boycott the P.D. It'll bust em. Be a hoot. A newspaper killed by CCW holders? Whee!
29 posted on 01/12/2004 5:14:58 PM PST by Waco
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To: OldFriend
This is really horrifying and may very well lead to breaking and entering to find guns in the home.

Note: Breaking into a home occupied by someone with a concealed-carry permit is my definition of a bad career move.

30 posted on 01/12/2004 5:18:21 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: StatesEnemy
You don't wanna mess with me, My name's in the "Dealer"

bump

31 posted on 01/12/2004 5:20:29 PM PST by alrea
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To: Alberta's Child
That is if you assume that the homeowner ALWAYS carries......that is patently ridiculous!
32 posted on 01/12/2004 5:21:45 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
If I live in Cleveland..regardless of whether I carry or not...I'm gonna be REAL UPSET if my address is NOT on that list.....as I'm sure those of the PD editors and staff will be?....?!!!
33 posted on 01/12/2004 5:30:15 PM PST by mo
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To: OldFriend
Do you want to take that chance?

Even if he only carries 20% of the time, you've got better odds playing Russian roulette with a six-shooter.

34 posted on 01/12/2004 5:42:50 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Ohioans, don't get your undies in a bunch. Here's what you do:

Fight fire with fire. Do a public records search on the PD editors and reporters. I am willing to bet there are a few private investigators in Ohio who would jump at the chance to get the particulars on these folks. Get a nice web domain with a catchy name that people will remember and post all of their information on the web site. Blab the info to radio talk shows in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincy, etc., making sure to highlight the juicy stuff on these newsies to get the number of hits up. As more papers, radio and TV stations publish the names, add them to the web site. They'll say it's blackmail or worse but everyone will see them for what they are.

If you're squeamish about getting your name published wait until the Ohio Atty General enters into reciprocal agreements with another state that has CCW and out-of-state provisions. Get a permit from the other state and worry no more.

Have a nice day.

35 posted on 01/12/2004 6:25:38 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: fish hawk
"If I'm packin, I want everyone to know it."

Riiiight. So the "punk mugger" and his pals can first wait for you to take a walk someplace quiet. When the coast is clear, pop you behind the ear with a nice little .22LR and THEN while you're out (forever), his buddies can hit your place and get the rest of your stuff and your loved ones. Uh-huh. As a firearms instructor this is one reason I discourage my clients from posting a "Protected by Smith and Wesson" sticker on their windows.

There is I think a similar position to exposure in Florida law, exemptions are for former and current law enforcement and their families (like me). But for some reason the media has never really taken advantage of the opportunity and it's not like the Miami press isn't liberal! Maybe it's because enough democrats have permits, too, that they don't want to anger a major voting constituency. So, they're just exercising more liberal "bias" in not printing the story, so as to further the democrat agenda. Ya think?

36 posted on 01/12/2004 6:37:29 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: OldFriend
If not mistaken, here in Ohio there is a degree of liability if authorities are not contacted with in a certain amount of time. As for it being used and not telling, I don't know what kind of charges they can file, nor am I willing to find out.
37 posted on 01/12/2004 7:01:06 PM PST by DarkWaters
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To: DarkWaters
It was relatively easy to get the firearm in Ohio.

Here in NJ it took over six months. Fingerprints, letters of recommendation, township investigation, county, and state and then off to the FBI...........what a disgrace, but then it IS New Jersey after all.

38 posted on 01/12/2004 7:14:39 PM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: DarkWaters
What do you expect from that Marxist rag?

What newspaper other than the WashTimes and the NYP isn't?

foreverfree

39 posted on 01/12/2004 7:45:29 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: OldFriend
This is really horrifying and may very well lead to breaking and entering to find guns in the home.

No! No! No! You don't understand how it works: criminals will stay *away* from these homes, where they know the owners are packing heat. That's how it works. More guns, less crime. The cunning robber will stick to the houses without guns, as identified by their absence on the list, which will force non-gun owners to get permits and have their names added to the list. One hand washes the other, the world spins gleefully on its axis, and we all arrive together in the promised land of personal safety and a crime free city.

40 posted on 01/12/2004 8:01:26 PM PST by Alain2112 (Eagle Scout and BSA Expert Marksman - go Utes!)
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