Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Say It Ain't So, Dubya
boblonsberry.com ^ | 1/7/04 | Bob Lonsberrry

Posted on 01/07/2004 6:06:39 AM PST by shortstop

In politics, it’s good to be up for grabs. And it’s miserable to be a sure thing.

As President Bush will prove today. In an expected announcement of sweeping amnesty and Social Security benefits for illegal Mexican aliens, the president will kick conservatives in the teeth in order to woo Latino voters.

It’s clear proof that the adage “Dance with the one what brung ya” doesn’t apply in the GOP.

In the GOP, conservatives exist to donate money and vote a straight ticket, and then be ignored. At least in this Administration and by this Congress. Time after time, the principles of those who put George W. Bush in office have been compromised and rejected. And now, on an issue that could forever alter the nature of the United States, conservatives are being betrayed by their president.

And, you could argue, so is the country.

What are the details? We won’t learn until today. But it is expected that a new “adjusted work status” will be announced for most of the eight million Mexicans currently in this country illegally. Also, lifetime Social Security benefits will be guaranteed illegal Mexican aliens – even after they leave the United States – if they pay Social Security tax for as little as 18 months.

Lawbreakers will be rewarded, and the American taxpayer will become the primary funder of the Mexican retirement system.

And billions of dollars of wages earned by illegal aliens will continue to be sent back to Mexico – bleeding our prosperity and continuing as the second largest cash source for the Mexican economy.

Why is this happening?

Why is the Republican president selling out everything you would think his party stands for?

Because the Latino vote is in play.

Simply put, the large number of Latinos in America have not yet clearly identified with a political party. And the Republicans want them. The Democratic Party owns the black vote lock, stock and barrel and the Republican Party wants to do the same with the Latino vote.

Democrats hope to draw Latino voters by convincing them – as they have African-Americans – that they are an underprivileged minority which needs the Democratic Party to avenge it against the larger American culture.

Republicans hope to draw Latino voters by convincing them – as they have American moderates and conservatives – that they are part of the larger American culture.

Democrats want people identified as minorities; Republicans want people identified as the mainstream.

Apparently President Bush believes that the Republican Party can win the heart of Latinos by rewarding millions of illegal Mexican aliens and by creating a welfare entitlement for people who aren’t even Americans.

Specifically, by caving in to a demand by Mexican President Vicente Fox – the author of the policy President Bush will announce today.

Latinos are powerful because they are up for grabs. Conservatives are powerless because they are a sure thing.

Honestly, if conservatives get ticked off at George W. Bush, what are they going to do? Who are they going to vote for?

Howard Dean? Hillary Clinton?

No way.

After being walked on and ignored, conservatives will dutifully come out this fall to support not just President Bush but the Republican Congress. Why?

Because we want judges and cabinet secretaries and protections for guns and free enterprise and property rights – things we didn’t really get this go round but hope to get in the next.

Conservatives are patsies to the Republican Party, just like blacks are patsies to the Democratic Party. Both get stroked at election time, and both get some very pretty speeches, but when it comes time to make laws and keep promises, both groups are roundly ignored by their parties.

Critics of this policy – as comments from the White House spokesman already indicate – are going to be labeled xenophobes and bigots. There will be syrupy quotes about this being a nation of immigrants and how new people coming to America make it a better nation.

Well, it used to be that way. When our foreign forefathers came to America to be Americans.

But those days have passed. Overwhelmingly, Mexicans come to America to be Mexicans. The melting pot is broken. The language is not learned, the culture is not adopted, the customs and values are not acquired.

And in a couple of generations the Latin Quarter is going to refer to that part of America west of Louisiana and south of Oregon and Idaho. There is a broad-based Latinization of the United States underway, a cultural conquest that the Mexican army could not win but the American government is willing to surrender.

We are growing our own Quebec, and it speaks Spanish. Latino immigrants, and specifically Mexicans, are wonderful people. Yet their success in this country – and the continued integrity of this country – are dependant on obeying the law and acquiring the culture and values of the American Constitution and heritage.

And that is not done by rewarding those whose first act on American soil was an immigration crime.

Instead of granting amnesty and rewarding lawbreakers, we should make a guest-worker program that lets Mexican immigrants walk honorably through the front door instead of illegally through the back door. We have the jobs, they want the work, let us bring order to putting the two together.

And then secure the borders, with troops if need be, so that illegal immigration stops.

Reward those who do right, not those who do wrong. Quicker, more efficient legal immigration is right. Amnesty is wrong.

And this fool idea of opening the empty Social Security coffers to Mexican nationals in Mexico is insane.

But if insanity buys votes, in an election year it becomes law.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; aliens; bush; buyingvotes; camejo; cheney; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; illegalmexicans; invasion; kerry; lonsberry; mexico; nader; pandering; plunderamericans; theft; thenannystate; thewelfarestate; welfarestate
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 201-220221-240241-260261-262 next last
To: shortstop
George 41 lost because he made conservatives mad. His policies (ADA for one) are ruining economy. Clinton sounded more conservative. Perception is reality in the minds of the masses.

Ed Gullispie ran Dole's campaign. Dole pandered to the left. Dole was a moderate (liberal in some minds) during Reagan years. Dole lost because he was limp and liberal and CONSERVATIVES SAT OUT.

George 43 AT FIRST pandered to moderate votes as Dole pandered until McCain ALMOST won ticket. McCain lost because George 43 PROMISED conservative platform would be pushed through when he became prez. Conservatives saved GWB's butt.

Memo to Rove and Bush: Liberals will vote Dem come election day. Your attempt to chip at the Dem margins to offset conservatives WILL NOT WORK. Never worked in the past. Some conservatives I know have already decided to sit out 2004. IMO, despite what election polls 11 months out indicate, slim is GWB chances if he continues down this road.

PS. GOP gained in 1994, 96, 98, 2000, and 2002 mainly because conservative talk shows said GOP candidates would be CONSERVATIVE not because traditional libs switched. Some conservatives are waking up and realizing that power lies in Legislative more than Executive. Some conservatives are waking up to realization that conservatives limited Clinton and forced him to be conservative. Maybe it's time for conservatives to force GOP to be conservative.
221 posted on 01/07/2004 9:58:49 AM PST by sully777 ("Not a thought lifted itself from Chance's brain. Peace filled his chest." -- Being There)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MissAmericanPie
is this immigration scheme limited to mexicans( and if it is, what does vicente' have on GW)? does it include haitians, nigerians, sudanese, syrian? palestinian? algerian? does it end? let's just abolish borders, after all we live on the same f--in planet.
i don't "get" why we're relinquishing every bit of identity and sovereignty we have.
222 posted on 01/07/2004 9:59:34 AM PST by contessa machiaveli
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 131 | View Replies]

To: T.Smith
As to the anecdotal nature of my comments on construction in the Atlanta area, please present facts to the contrary

As soon as you post a web source for your contentions in your reply #206.

223 posted on 01/07/2004 10:00:07 AM PST by Dane
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 219 | View Replies]

To: shortstop
There are not enough Mexican votes to offset Pres. Bush's loss of his former Republican supporters. I'm mystified
that the reports of giving amnesty to law breakers will gain votes for Bush. He is setting himself up for a humiliating loss this year.
224 posted on 01/07/2004 10:04:28 AM PST by hgro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: medscribe
"Appointed any "true conservatives" to the Supreme Court"


225 posted on 01/07/2004 10:08:11 AM PST by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 214 | View Replies]

To: Dane
You are adding nothing and you are extremely tiresome. I am finished with you.
226 posted on 01/07/2004 10:08:27 AM PST by T.Smith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 223 | View Replies]

To: T.Smith
You're not for a total ban on abortion?!? Then you're a TRAITOR to the conservative cause, some conservatives here might be screaming now.

My point is that it is hypocritical of conservatives to be kicking and screaming and condemning Dubya on the one hand and deifying Reagan on the other when Reagan did the EXACT same thing back in 1987. By the definitions of some people here, Reagan was an outright Commie for giving illegals an blanket amnesty, with NO QUESTIONS OR LIMITATIONS such as the ones Dubya proposes.
227 posted on 01/07/2004 10:09:19 AM PST by medscribe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 218 | View Replies]

To: William Terrell
What's the difference between breaking the law smoking crack and breaking the law by sneaking into the country and using fraudulent documents to get a job?

All laws are equally just right?

228 posted on 01/07/2004 10:11:41 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 211 | View Replies]

To: TheGeezer
But in my city I see Hispanics doing things, running businesses, providing services that didn't exist a few months ago.

Look at the heavy subsidies paid into cities, implicit & explicit

Are these employers providing health benefits, or just using the local emergency room? Are they getting enterprise zone tax breaks? Subsidized housing for extended families?

Just pointing out that it's not a level playing field.

229 posted on 01/07/2004 10:11:42 AM PST by P.O.E.
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 220 | View Replies]

To: medscribe
Then you're a TRAITOR to the conservative cause, some conservatives here might be screaming now.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinion to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go at all."

Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Francis Hopkinson in 1789.

230 posted on 01/07/2004 10:25:54 AM PST by T.Smith
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 227 | View Replies]

To: zook
The stupid PC police, and Ted Kennedy in particular made damn sure that we open our boarders to people of different race/color/religion. That demand in itself helped destroy the fabric of America, as we know it. If we continue down this road, we are going to keep diluting this society until we are the minority.

We need to actively train our own underclass instead of importing low wage employee to shut them out of job opportunities. American need more money for subsistant living than third world country immigrants (legal or illegal).

231 posted on 01/07/2004 10:30:54 AM PST by philosofy123
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 204 | View Replies]

To: Jack Black
There is a MAJOR, MAJOR different between the LP position on immigration and what Bush is doing. Libertarians favor expanded LEGAL immigration and a massive crackdown on ILLEGAL immigration. If you want to become a citizen, fine...Just come through the front door! I say if someone wants to become an American, and are willing to undergo several background/reference checks, then swear an oath of loyalty to the country, we should welcome them with open arms. Criminals and terrorists however do NOT want to do this, and they must be stopped with force.

Law abiding immigrants should be welcomed.
Illegal immigrants should have massive penalties.
232 posted on 01/07/2004 10:32:55 AM PST by Capitalism2003 (Got principles? http://www.LP.org)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 153 | View Replies]

To: Arpege92
Giving illegal aliens these benefits only assures us that they are going to pour into this country at faster rates.

And just what benefit is that...paying a $1500 fine for breaking the immigration law...you consider that a benefit? And any illegal currently in the US who does not apply for the guest worker program by the deadline will not be eligible for anything but deportation. What they are trying to do is clear up the backlog at the INS so that they can concentrate on the criminal element amongst the illegals, namely those that will NOT apply for this program. Yes, there is an extradition problem with Mexico, but that has more to do with the death penalty than illegal immigration and if we can clear up some of the backlog at INS, and create a database with the info provided by the illegals during registration for this program (fingerprints, photos) that will make it easier to catch those that commit crimes, we will be better off.

233 posted on 01/07/2004 10:37:53 AM PST by ravingnutter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 169 | View Replies]

To: Mamzelle
bump
234 posted on 01/07/2004 10:40:14 AM PST by keri
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 194 | View Replies]

To: T.Smith
Of course Thomas Jefferson was the founder of the modern-day DEMOCRATIC party :-).
235 posted on 01/07/2004 10:41:47 AM PST by medscribe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 230 | View Replies]

To: medscribe
Many people also do not know that Jefferson, upon taking office as President, immediately began purging office-holders that were not in HIS party. Individual letters can not always be taken at face value.
236 posted on 01/07/2004 10:44:59 AM PST by SONbrad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 235 | View Replies]

To: hgro
He is setting himself up for a humiliating loss this year.

I'm hoping its a trick of some sort to stir the Rat pot right before the caucuses/primaries. Can you imagine Howard Dean spewing his opinion on this issue?

The other thing I'm hoping is that it is just a trial balloon, and will get shot down by everybody. Bush gets to say, "I tried," and blame opposition from both left and right as the reason that the status quo is still in effect.

I've been in favor of regulating "guest workers" rather than just continuing the existing system, but the details of this program really shock me. The certification that employers must provide to employ Mexicans (that no Americans would take the jobs) is so thin, you can see through it. All an employer has to do is offer jobs at seven bucks an hour, say that no Americans would take them, then get green cards for Mexicans who live 20 to a single house, to live on that wage. The same employers that would export our jobs to India would jump at that.

This makes my job of trying to convince my new wife's relatives to vote Republican even harder. Even though the Rats are against them on nearly every social issue, they still insist that "Republicans are only for the rich." How else do we explain some of the provisions of this proposed bill?

237 posted on 01/07/2004 10:45:12 AM PST by hunter112
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 224 | View Replies]

To: shortstop
What time? Can I watch his speech over ther internet on CSPAN?
238 posted on 01/07/2004 10:54:18 AM PST by TexasCajun
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RinaseaofDs
Ah yes, Gingrich.....one of the last principled R's in the House. I loved the guy, still do. He was successfully vilified by the left. However, Tom Delay does measure up to Gingrich but he too is beginning to cave on principal from time to time because of strong-armed tactics coming from a popular President.

I'd love to see all Republicans get on the same page with respect to conservative ideas/agenda once in my life. With the current resident at the White House and his big-government agenda, I'm not holding my breath.

Who is running on the Constitionalist ticket this year??????????? Anyone?????
239 posted on 01/07/2004 10:58:08 AM PST by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 192 | View Replies]

To: medscribe
"You're not for a total ban on abortion?!? Then you're a TRAITOR to the conservative cause, some conservatives here might be screaming now."

I was one of those screaming until I read your post. Thanks.
240 posted on 01/07/2004 11:04:59 AM PST by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 227 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 201-220221-240241-260261-262 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson