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Late Neanderthals 'more like us'
BBC ^ | 12-24-93 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 12/24/2003 7:31:32 AM PST by DeepDish

Neanderthals were shedding their sturdy physique and evolving in the direction of modern humans just before they disappeared from the fossil record. Newly-identified remains from Vindija in Croatia, which date to between 42,000 and 28,000 years ago, are more delicate than "classic" Neanderthals.

One controversial explanation is that these Neanderthals were interbreeding with modern humans in the region.

Details of the research appear in the Journal of Human Evolution.

Excavations also reveal the Vindija Neanderthals were developing advanced ways of making stone tools that mirror innovations elsewhere by modern humans (Homo sapiens).

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: evolution; godsgravesglyphs; history; neanderthal
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To: ASA Vet
Animals have no "rights."

True.

A people have only those "rights" which they will forcefully demand.

In practice, that is what usually happens. However, the premise upon which this country was founded is that we have certain inalienable rights, regardless of what government exists, if any. The Federal Government was borne to protect these rights, not dole them out. Since tyranny never sleeps, the wannabes have tried to invert the process here to have the Fed Gov be the diviner of rights. Scarey!

The people of our nation are slowly giving up "rights" because they fail to understand that.

True. I am with you on this.

It isn't brain surgery nor is it supernatural.

It is not difficult to understand. Yet, without the supernatural aspect, we are just natural. Why do we have rights over chimpanzees-also natural? Who is the authority that gets the final word on this? If it is simply consensus by any form, would that not be a game of "let's pretend we naturals are supernatural-divine-omnicient-omnipotent"?

The supernatural aspect is a culmination (direct and indirect) of the views of the Christian Bible. Ok, you do not care for that. No harm done-no harm given. Yet, the absolute of the supernatural aspect of our rights makes these certain rights inalienable. In other words, you do not have to be of the Christian faith at all to appreciate and respect the divine nature of our position in life.

21 posted on 12/24/2003 9:48:21 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Democrat party: the party of slavery, death and unholy alliances)
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To: VRW Conspirator
Why do we have rights over chimpanzees

Because they haven't gotten together to forcefully demand "rights" too.

Who is the authority that gets the final word on this?

Those willing and able to enforce their desire for "rights"

the absolute of the supernatural

Ah, sure, ok. ;-)

22 posted on 12/24/2003 10:01:11 AM PST by ASA Vet (Having achieved Nibbana, what can I do next?)
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To: blam; farmfriend
Ping
23 posted on 12/24/2003 10:21:24 AM PST by Slicksadick
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To: ASA Vet
Because they haven't gotten together to forcefully demand "rights" too...Those willing and able to enforce their desire for "rights" [obtain their rights]

So Mao Zedong had all rights including the power to divine who shall get any rights at all - because he enforced his desire for rights? And, the rest of China could not enforce there desire for themselves and therefor do not have rights? No, again the premise is that we have rights, regardless of who claims to be in charge. While Mao vilolated rights regularly, he was just as human as the next dictator.

And, after all, we are born with these rights. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc. would have you believe that the state is the true authority over your rights.

the absolute of the supernatural - Ah, sure, ok. ;-)

What is time to the one who created time? What is power to the one is all powerful? Absolute - being infinite indisolvable by natural means.

24 posted on 12/24/2003 10:21:42 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Democrat party: the party of slavery, death and unholy alliances)
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To: DeepDish; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; abner; Alas Babylon!; Andyman; annyokie; bd476; BiffWondercat; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.

25 posted on 12/24/2003 10:25:14 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: DeepDish
Late Neanderthals ....are more delicate than "classic" Neanderthals.

They knew which one the salad fork was??

26 posted on 12/24/2003 10:31:43 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: VRW Conspirator
Please notice my consistent use of the plural when referring to demanding "rights."
Mao wasn't a people, he was a thug.

The "people" of China have the "rights" they deserve.
The same is true of us.
The people will have rights only if they control their government,
rather than allowing government to control their people.

27 posted on 12/24/2003 10:40:57 AM PST by ASA Vet (Having achieved Nibbana, what can I do next?)
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To: VRW Conspirator
The supernatural aspect is a culmination (direct and indirect) of the views of the Christian Bible. Ok, you do not care for that. No harm done-no harm given. Yet, the absolute of the supernatural aspect of our rights makes these certain rights inalienable.

Indeed, your beliefs on the supernatural basis of inalienablity is a "no harm done-no harm given" instance.

In other words, you do not have to be of the Christian faith at all to appreciate and respect the divine nature of our position in life.

Beliefs become problems when they are posed as being 'absolutes'..

Do we agree?

28 posted on 12/24/2003 10:55:07 AM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Santa in me. Merry Xmas!)
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To: DeepDish
Maybe the Neanderthals were metrosexuals too.
29 posted on 12/24/2003 10:59:03 AM PST by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: baltodog
I choose to believe that I am a desendant of Adam And Eve. How? Why? I can't explain. Faith.
If people want to look at a monkey and think that they are somehow related, OK by me.
Please rest assured, though, there is no monkey blood in Baltodog.

Don't forget, you are also a desendant from the mystery wife of Cain(Genesis 4:13). Where did she come from? Oh yeah she spontaneously generated.

30 posted on 12/24/2003 11:23:49 AM PST by SengirV
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To: ASA Vet
The "people" of China have the "rights" they deserve.
The same is true of us.
The people will have rights only if they control their government, rather than allowing government to control their people.

The people of China lack the rights they deserve. Just because a despot systematically denies or violates rights does not mean the people deserve less. But, in the vein of the founders, you are correct in affirming that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

To put it another way, rights are as intractable as your hands or feet. One may cut them off but that does not mean that one has the right to so just because he can.

31 posted on 12/24/2003 12:06:19 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Democrat party: the party of slavery, death and unholy alliances)
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To: tpaine
Beliefs become problems when they are posed as being 'absolutes'..

Do we agree?

Well, you labled me as "delusional" a while ago. Yet, you seem to have fixation to receive words of wisdom from such. BTW, do you believe that the north pole is indeed where it is although you have never been there?

32 posted on 12/24/2003 12:10:52 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Democrat party: the party of slavery, death and unholy alliances)
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To: VRW Conspirator
tpaine:
Beliefs become problems when they are posed as being 'absolutes'.. Do we agree?

Well, you labled me as "delusional" a while ago. Yet, you seem to have fixation to receive words of wisdom from such.

Gee, I see your delusion that I have fixations about you still persist.. How long ago was this?

BTW, do you believe that the north pole is indeed where it is although you have never been there?

Sure do, - seeing that that our axis of spin is an observable fact any starry night.. You don't?

33 posted on 12/24/2003 12:23:09 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but FRs flying monkey squad brings out the Santa in me. Merry Xmas!)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Can't a man rest in peace?

kinda at the crux of the argument, isn't it? I mean, whether they were men or not?

Now, I had a junior high school gym teacher who I swear was a Neanderthal throwback. Brow ridge and all. You didn't mess with this dude. I have no problem believing that there's a few branches of the old family tree that scientists would want to put some label on other than Homo Sapiens Sapiens (My uncle Don, for example).

34 posted on 12/24/2003 2:10:23 PM PST by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: ASA Vet
Animals have no "rights."

A people have only those "rights" which they will forcefully demand.
The people of our nation are slowly giving up "rights" because they fail to understand that.

It isn't brain surgery nor is it supernatural.


Get with the program. Still unassimilated eh?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Link

35 posted on 12/24/2003 2:56:20 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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To: tpaine
Sure do, - seeing that that our axis of spin is an observable fact any starry night.. You don't?

So, you observe the immutable laws of nature, that is, the absolute-universal and timelss-laws of gravity and centrifugal motion. And you accept them as such, enough to cite them. Yet, the origin of such laws seems to elude you; as if gravity, matter, energy, etc., formed in a vacuum-just showed up one day(perhaps on a Tuesday). Hmmm, absolute laws with no absolute origin. Oh sweet delusion.

36 posted on 12/24/2003 6:45:53 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Democrat party: the party of slavery, death and unholy alliances)
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To: putupon
he is not a Neanderthal. He is Homo Stupidus Ponderous.
37 posted on 12/24/2003 9:07:29 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: bondserv
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Only if you are willing to collectively or individually die for those rights. Otherwise, you simply have no more than what someone wishes to give you.

38 posted on 12/24/2003 9:19:12 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot
Only if you are willing to collectively or individually die for those rights. Otherwise, you simply have no more than what someone wishes to give you.

That was the beauty of the original ideas behind the Constitution. No one questioned what authority established the rights of the citizens. Now with the humanistic relativism of the Liberal and the Libertarian sects, anything goes.

Oh well, Satan was bound to eventually divert attention off of the true and living God and begin the demise of the greatest Union of peoples in human history.

39 posted on 12/24/2003 9:28:52 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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To: DeepDish
To me Neanderthal is facinating. Could it be possible that the only reason there are not other super-intelligent creatures on this planet is because homo-erectus(sapien)would not tolerate them?

Is intelligent life more likely than we would like to believe? Have there been other attempts by super-intelligent lifeforms to emerge on this planet, only to be thwarted by the chosen ones (us)?

40 posted on 12/24/2003 9:37:30 PM PST by NeonKnight
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