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Zoroastrians Fight Extinction
VOANews ^ | 12/23/03 | VOANews

Posted on 12/23/2003 10:01:12 PM PST by freedom44

The opening bars of Richard Strauss’ composition “Thus Spoke Zarathustra” became famous as the theme for Stanle Kubrick’s 1968 movie “2001: A Space Odyssey.” But apart from academics and some 300-thosuand believers, few people know much about ancient Iranian prophet Zarathustra and his teaching.

“Yet only one thousand years ago, millions, millions espoused Zarathustra’s monotheistic percepts in nations which stretched from (the ancient Chinese city of) Sian (western China) to the Eastern China across central Asia, northern India, Iran, Asia Minor, Mesopotamia up Greece in the west and Arabia, north Africa and Ethiopia in the south,” says Adi Davar, a board member of the World Zoroastrian Organization. Mr. Davar spoke at a recent seminar on Zoroastrian religion at the Library of Congress in Washington.

Zoroastrianism is based on the revelations of the Persian prophet Zarathustra, or Zoroaster in Greek. He taught that the world and everything in it was created by a Wise Lord, or Ahura Mazda. Before Zarathustra, Persians believed in multiple deities, as did most nomadic tribes at the time.

Stanley Isler, chairman of Iranian studies at Yale University, says Zarathustra was very impressed with nature and its ability for cyclical renewal. He believed repetition was the basis of knowledge, and people could learn everything from nature.

“Surely, only a being of great power and wisdom was capable of fashioning the element of the cosmos and equally capable of creating the principle of truth that maintain their eternal design and rhythms,” cites Professor Isler.

Internationally renowned conductor Zubin Mehta is a Parsi from Bombay. Creator Ahura Mazda is symbolized by light and fire, nature’s sources of life and energy. That is why Zoroastrians usually pray before a source of light, and an urn containing fire is a prominent feature of their place of worship. The good and wise lord Ahura Mazda is opposed by dark forces of evil. Zoroastrians believe truth is the source of all good and must be pursued in order to fight deceit, the source of evil. Since humans are created by a wise lord, they have an innate ability to discern good from evil. Zarathustra preaches three basic virtues: good thoughts, good words and good deeds. He says: "Happiness unto him who gives happiness unto others.” Thus Zoroastrians value education and philanthropy. Lying, or deceit, represents a violation of basic Zoroastrian beliefs.

Cleanliness of the body as well as of the spirit is also very important. Dead and decaying bodies are considered extremely impure and so they must not contaminate water, air or earth, which are sources of life. Traditionally, Zoroastrians do not bury or burn dead bodies or throw them into water, but expose them to vultures. However, there is less emphasis on religious rites than there is on lifestyle choices.

Marriage is a lifelong commitment, often postponed for the sake of education. Inter-faith marriages and conversions have long been avoided, contributing to the decline in population. The conquest of Persia and spread of Islam, which started in the 7th century, dealt the first serious blow to Zoroastrians.

Relief depicting Persian King Darius, Iran. No one knows exactly when Zarathustra lived, but his origins are traditionally placed in the 6th century B.C. in the area of what is today north-eastern Iran. This would make him a contemporary of the Persians kings Cyrus or Darius. Many scholars think he lived earlier than that. Jehan Bagli, president of the North American Zoroastrian Council, says Zarathustra’s teachings were already widespread by that time.

“Nowhere in these records do we find the mention of prophet Zarathustra,” says Mr. Bagli. “If the prophet was born 569 BCE and lived, as we know from the tradition, a little over 77 years, he would be contemporary with Darius the Great. It is inconceivable that the founder of the first monotheistic faith, who lived during the same time as these renowned monarchs, whose religion was spread across their vast empire and who was a mentor of the father of Darius, be so trivially overlooked.” Mr Bagli adds: “These circumstances certainly invalidate the traditional date.”

Scholars say historic records of Zarathustra’s life may have been destroyed during two major invasions of Persia: one by Alexander the Great in 4th century B.C. and the other by Islamic tribes in the 7th century A.D. On both occasions fire temples and religious texts were burnt and many priests killed.

But there is evidence that the Avesta, the Zoroastrian equivalent of the Bible, contains Zarathustra’s original thoughts. Stanley Isler says the prophet’s hymns to God, or “gathas,” reveal much about his life and time: “He tells us that he was a priest and a master of sacred words, a manthran – someone who has power over the mantras, a word that’s familiar to many. Yet, Zarathustra goes on to say he was rejected from his tribe and his community and driven from his land, forcing him to wander far and wide under great hardship and despair until finally he was accepted by a noble prince named Vishtaspa, who became his patron and ally.”

Professor Isler notes the hymns also explain why the prophet’s own tribe exiled him. It was not only because he preached monotheism: “He bitterly complains that evil rulers attacked just and innocent people, that the rich robbed the poor, that judges produced false decisions in order to aid their benefactors. And Zarathustra goes on to say that fury and violence terrorized the peoples on all fronts and that everywhere deceit and deception seemed to hold the upper hand.”

The holy book also contains Zoroastrian prayers, rules of law and rituals. Until the 9th century AD, the Avesta was probably transmitted orally and modified along the way. Professor Isler says this makes it hard to discern truth from myth about the prophet. The 10th century persecution of Zoroastrians in Persia forced many either to convert or seek another place to live. A significant group settled in north-western India where they became known as Parsis, meaning Persians.

For a while, Parsis were growing in number and power. The city of Bombay became the center of Zoroastrianism, somewhat like Rome in the Catholic Church. But in the second half of the 20th century, the population of the Parsi-Zoroastrians fell by one third, from a peak of 114,000 in 1941 to 76,000 in 1991. In recent decades, Zoroastrians worldwide began forming local and international organizations and events to help fight their extinction. Adi Davar helped form one of these in 1980.

“The World Zoroastrian Organization is an international organization of the global community of some 300-thousand Zoroastrians,” says Mr. Davar and adds: “Some 40-thousand of them live in North America and about a thousand in this metropolitan area.”

Parsi children in Bombay. Zoroastrian organizations prevailed upon UNESCO, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization to proclaim the year 2003 as the 3000th Anniversary of Zoroastrianism. More attention is paid to young people who may be able to pass on their religion and culture to following generations. The Third World Zoroastrian Youth Congress is to take place in Pune, India, from December 27 to December 31.

Conversion, once rejected by the Zoroastrian faith, is now believed to be legitimate and indeed necessary by some adherents, who also approve marriage with members of other faiths.

Scholars have acknowledged the contribution of this ancient Persian faith to the world’s religions. Zoroastrians say their prophet’s teachings are just as relevant today since deceit, violence and oppression are as prevalent as they were thousands of years ago.


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KEYWORDS: archaeology; faith; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; iran; mrirangen; wethreekings; zoroaster; zoroastrianism
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To: freedom44
But apart from academics and some 300-thosuand believers, few people know much about ancient Iranian prophet Zarathustra and his teaching. “Yet only one thousand years ago, millions, millions espoused Zarathustra’s monotheistic percepts in nations which stretched from (the ancient Chinese city of) Sian (western China) to the Eastern China across central Asia, northern India, Iran, Asia Minor, Mesopotamia up Greece in the west and Arabia, north Africa and Ethiopia in the south,” says Adi Davar, a board member of the World Zoroastrian Organization. Mr. Davar spoke at a recent seminar on Zoroastrian religion at the Library of Congress in Washington.

That would appear to offer some hope in the case of I-Slam; maybe it can go away too...

61 posted on 12/24/2003 7:42:21 AM PST by greenwolf
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To: ASA Vet; All
I am bumping this to not lose sight of post 23,there is much to be pondered if September the 11th could have been, in the Islamic view,an attack on Christian beliefs.Maybe we shall find out tomorrow.
62 posted on 12/24/2003 1:14:40 PM PST by eastforker (Money is the key to justice,just ask any lawyer.)
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To: enviros_kill
the msnbc link isn't working.
63 posted on 12/24/2003 1:39:06 PM PST by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: Allan
Ping to the ultimate anniversary theory.
64 posted on 12/24/2003 1:58:22 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: enviros_kill
YOUR POST IS NUMBER 23!!!

Do you really think we believe this is a coincidence?
2+3=5
Jesus, having 5 letters, of which 2 are vowels and 3 consonents
2,3,5 are the first three prime numbers; they are also the 3rd,4th,and 5th numbers of the fibonnacci sequence, which is found quite frequently in nature
23 is the first prime number in which both digits are prime numbers and add up to another prime number.
The Earth's axis is currently tilted 23.5 degrees to the celestial equator
All humans recieved 23 chromosomes from his/her mother, and 23 chromosomes from his/her father
Within the DNA double helix, there are unexplained bonding irregularities every 23rd angstrom.
All humans have 23 vertebrae; also 23 joints in human arm
Blood circulates through the body in 23 seconds
there were 23 letters in the Latin alphabet... (22 in hebrew, 24 in greek) in English, W is the 23 letter... it is the only letter to be pronounced polysyllabically and has two points down, three up, and also it is double(2)U and has 3 syllables
The first two landings on the moon were Apollo 11 and Apollo 12 - 11 + 12= 23
The 22 trumps of the Tarot actually create a cycle of 23
In the final assault on the Death Star, Luke Skywalker is in Red 5. Red 2 and Red 3 start the bomb runs at 23 degrees. "Stay on target!"

65 posted on 12/24/2003 2:30:23 PM PST by Once-Ler (Proud Republican and Bushbot)
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To: enviros_kill
fascinating... bookmarking for future reference.
66 posted on 12/24/2003 2:36:27 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: Cronos
I disagree on your chronology of monotheism.

I am almost rock-sure in my belief(based on evidence, mind you) that Akhenaton was the first to propose a truly monotheistic religion. The Biblical canon(Old Testament) as we know it was not established until 400 BCE. The similarity of the "Mosaic Law" to the Code of Hammurabi should be attributed to the Hebrew way of "re-telling" stories. The Epic of Gilgamesh and its flood is no doubt older than the Biblical flood. Hammurabi likely predates the Moses we know in the Bible. After all, there was a REAL code of Hammurabi that has contemporary sourcing, the Mosaic law does not have a contemporary source to corroborate its existence.

The fact that King Sargon sounds extremely similar to the finding of the baby Moses, and indeed a similarity to the birth of Jesus is more evidence of this Hebrew tradition. There simply is no evidence that a King Herod ever ordered the deaths of infant boys up to age 3, and in fact, the Romans would not have tolerated such blind cruelty for the superstitious rantings of an old puppet-king.

If there ever was a captivity in Egypt, it is not likely that it was all Hebrews, but it is possible that the alleged "adopted" son, Moses, was actually a REAL Egyptian who did the adopting and became their religious leader.

Moses--Ramosses. Similarity in names?

In any event, it's clear from the Bible itself that the idea that only one God EXISTED was a much later invention of the Jews/Israelites. Heck, we have the Jahwist and the Priestly and the Elohist(and one other, right?) They even call God by different names(Elohim vs Yawheh) Jews would offer sacrifices to other Gods so long as they were not in the land of Israel(early on.) If this were not true, the Egyptian priests would not have matched Moses "miracles" step-for-step until the Plagues.

The God of Israel is THEIR God, no one else's until the later development of a truly monotheistic system.
67 posted on 12/24/2003 5:28:00 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: chookter
I'm partial to Melkor or Morgoth...or Sauron ;)
68 posted on 12/24/2003 5:28:44 PM PST by Skywalk
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To: freedom44
It is inconceivable that the founder of the first monotheistic faith...

The writer of this article must not know anything about the vast body of Vedic literature, which predates Zarathustra by millenia, and espouse monotheism. What is generally known as Hinduism is a remnant of the ancient Vedic culture. But since the Vedic scriptures are available for study still, one can read them and clearly understand that monotheism is the foundation of Hinduism. The many gods and goddesses recognized in Hinduism are not the Supreme Godhead, who is recognized as their source and their Master. Also, many Hindus currently understand monotheism as the highest truth of their religion.

69 posted on 12/24/2003 5:33:45 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: freedom44
Good article!
70 posted on 12/24/2003 8:07:15 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: freedom44
bump for later reading
71 posted on 12/24/2003 8:17:17 PM PST by mel
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To: Cronos
The Zoroastrians prided themselves on their beards

The Zoroastrian men that I know don't have beards. They have clean-shaven faces. The picture they have in their living room of Zoroaster does have a beard, I suppose in the same way that pictures of Jesus usually show him with a beard. But I believe their priest who officiates at their fire temple does have a beard.

72 posted on 12/24/2003 9:31:59 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: Skywalk
I've got to admit I can sense my favouring of Mosaic law as being the foundation of the first monotheistic religion is prejudiced, but there are fallacies in your arguments.

The Mosses- Ramesses is a glaring one -- both names are English renditions of Middle Eastern names and are both incorrect. Moses is really Musa -- a very Egyptian name while it is Ramesess not Ramosses.

Elohim means lord -- it's derived from old Canaanite (phoenician to you Greeks) term for The High god of the Canaanites -- El.

Yhwh was supposed to be the personal name of the Hebrew (Hebaru = wanderers) God. So El would mean God, while Yhwh would be the name of God.
75 posted on 12/28/2003 2:41:56 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: Skywalk
But, what you have pointed out about King Sargon I of Assyria is true, and the same story is repeated in the story of Cyrus the great (another one of my pet peeves, I refuse to call Alexander great -- he was lucky that's it), about an infant found in the bull-rushes.

Most of the themese of Judaism derive from Sumerian religions (the flood which is reflected in the Sumerian tale of Gilgamesh and the flood of Manu in the Rig Vedas) and the babe in the bull-rushes story.
76 posted on 12/28/2003 2:44:29 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: Once-Ler
23?

But the answer to the question : "what's the meaning of life the universe, everything is 42
77 posted on 12/28/2003 2:46:36 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: little jeremiah
Quite true, and as I state -- Hinduism is intrinsically related to the precursor of Zoroastrianism. So Zoroaster was a reformer like Gautama Buddha (strange how's he's always potrayed as Chinese when he was Indian) was the reformer of hinduism and Christ was a reformer too.
78 posted on 12/28/2003 2:49:03 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: chookter
Aingra Mainyu. Is that not just the most evil name for an evil spirit!? I'm fascinated by this stuff as well.

No, not really, Zoroastrianism is really Dualist -- there are two divinities -- good and evil, locked in Battle. That's why the old TEstament doesn't really mention the devil, except for the strange book of Job (which does have common points in "The lamentations of the Suffering Peasant" -- a Sumerian tale dating abck to 3000BC +) and our inference in Genesis.
79 posted on 12/28/2003 2:51:35 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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To: SedVictaCatoni
Alexander's Persian conquests were hardly a blink in that nation's history -- the Seleucids were soon overthrown by the Parthians. Do note that Trajan DID defeat the Parthians and installed a client King at Ctesiphon. The Roman Empire could have spread further east -- by becoming more dualist and federalist, oh, but that's again revisionist history which never works.
80 posted on 12/28/2003 2:55:06 AM PST by Cronos (W2004!)
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