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Is Iron Causing All the Flares?
Universe Today ^ | 11/18/03

Posted on 11/19/2003 9:15:52 AM PST by LibWhacker

Dr. Oliver Manuel, a professor of nuclear chemistry, believes that iron, not hydrogen, is the sun’s most abundant element. In a paper accepted for publication in the Journal of Fusion Energy, Manuel asserts that the “standard solar model” -- which assumes that the sun’s core is made of hydrogen -- has led to misunderstandings of how such solar flares occur, as well as inaccurate views on the nature of global climate change.

Recent solar flares erupting on the sun’s surface have unleashed powerful geomagnetic storms -- gigantic clouds of highly charged particles that pose a threat to electric utilities, high-frequency radio communications, satellite navigation systems and television broadcasts. Continued turbulence on the sun will remain a concern for the coming days, according to space forecasters.

Manuel claims that hydrogen fusion creates some of the sun’s heat, as hydrogen -- the lightest of all elements -- moves to the sun’s surface. But most of the heat comes from the core of an exploded supernova that continues to generate energy within the iron-rich interior of the sun, Manuel says.

“We think that the solar system came from a single star, and the sun formed on a collapsed supernova core,” Manuel explains.

“The inner planets are made mostly of matter produced in the inner part of that star,” Manuel says, “and the outer planets of material that formed out of the outer layers of that star.”

Manuel’s paper, “Superfluidity in the Solar Interior: Implications for Solar Eruptions and Climate,” suggests that the conventional view of how magnetic fields in the sun’s interior -- the cause of solar flares and storms -- are formed is flawed. “The prevailing opinion in the solar physics community is that solar dynamos generate the sun’s magnetic fields by plasma flows in the outer part of the sun. ... The model of a hydrogen-filled sun offers few other options,” Manuel says.

Manuel offers another explanation, based on his assertion that the solar system was born catastrophically out of a supernova -- a theory that goes against the widely-held belief among astrophysicists that the sun and planets were formed 4.5 billion years ago in a relatively ambiguous cloud of interstellar dust. In his latest paper, Manuel posits that the changing fields are caused either by the magnetic field of the rotating neutron star at the core of the sun itself or by a reaction that converts the iron surrounding the neutron star into a superconductor. This reaction is called Bose-Einstein condensation.

While Manuel’s theory is seen as highly controversial by many in the scientific community, other researchers have confirmed that distant solar systems orbit stars that are rich in iron and other metals. Last summer, astronomer Debra Fischer at the University of California, Berkeley, presented her findings of a study of more than 750 stars at the International Astronomical Union meeting in Sydney, Australia. Fischer and her team determined that 20 percent of metal-rich stars have planets orbiting them.

Manuel believes Fischer’s research helps to confirm his 40-year effort to change the way people think about the solar system’s origins. He thinks a supernova rocked our area of the Milky Way galaxy some five billion years ago, giving birth to all the heavenly bodies that populate the solar system.

Analyses of meteorites reveal that all primordial helium is accompanied by “strange xenon,” he says, adding that both helium and strange xenon came from the outer layer of the supernova that created the solar system. Helium and strange xenon are also seen together in Jupiter.

Back in 1975, Manuel and another UMR researcher, Dr. Dwarka Das Sabu, first proposed that the solar system formed from the debris of a spinning star that exploded as a supernova. They based their claim on studies of meteorites and moon samples which showed traces of strange xenon. Data from NASA’s Galileo probe of Jupiter’s helium-rich atmosphere in 1996 reveals traces of strange xenon gases -- solid evidence against the conventional model of the solar system’s creation, Manuel says.

Manuel first began to develop the iron-rich sun theory in 1972. That year, Manual and his colleagues reported in the British journal Nature that the xenon found in primitive meteorites was a mixture of strange and normal xenon (Nature 240, 99-101). The strange xenon is enriched in isotopes that are made when a supernova explodes, the researchers reported, and could not be produced within meteorites.

Three years later, Manuel and Sabu found that all of the primordial helium in meteorites is trapped in the same sites that trapped strange xenon. Based on these findings, they concluded that the solar system formed directly from the debris of a single supernova, and the sun formed on the supernova’s collapsed core. Giant planets like Jupiter grew from material in the outer part of the supernova, while Earth and the inner planets formed out of material form the supernova’s interior. This is why the outer planets consist mostly of hydrogen, helium and other light elements, and the inner planets are made of heavier elements like iron, sulfur and silicon, Manuel says.

Strange xenon came from the helium-rich outer layers of the supernova, while normal xenon came from its interior. There was no helium in the interior because nuclear fusion reactions there changed the helium into the heavier elements, Manuel says.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; climatechange; core; flares; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; iron; ironsun; neutron; oliverkmanuel; olivermanuel; solarflare; solarflare2003; star; sun
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To: longshadow; general_re
Hey! I have not forgotten you guys. Just been terribly busy and have had a time getting the data together for the best and least expensive design. :-( SORRY!
101 posted on 11/19/2003 7:14:29 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: js1138
ROFL! :-) You keep watching static for hours on end, and folks might think you are a radio astronomer!
102 posted on 11/19/2003 7:16:01 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
Does someone publish a schedule? I mean five minutes will tax my attention span.
103 posted on 11/19/2003 7:18:03 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Does someone publish a schedule? I mean five minutes will tax my attention span.

LOL! A number of years ago, you should have seen the stares I was getting from other folks in a ground station as I was intently looking at a spec-A for over an hour trying to find a spike above the noise floor. Found it too! Was a local LO that was leaking RF. :-)

104 posted on 11/19/2003 7:29:07 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Physicist
Just to name drop, while waiting for my ride today, I was leaning up against "Herr Auge," Reine and Cowan's neutrino detector. (It's in a plastic case next to the door.) It first detected a neutrino in 1955.

(For the lurkers:) Neutrions were proposed by Pauli in 1930 but not detected for 25 years. "Dark Matter" may yet be analyzed.
105 posted on 11/19/2003 8:26:19 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: LibWhacker
Wow, bizarre. A neutron star at the core of the Sun? So how long do we have left? Not four billion years, I take it.

Personally, I think I'll be lucky to hit a hundred.

106 posted on 11/19/2003 8:33:05 PM PST by JoeSchem
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To: LibWhacker
Here's a relevant link regarding a new neutrino observatory that just started running in Minnesota. Of course, it probably won't be long before the Greens and New Age Wackos declare it "Sacred Indian Ground" (anyone here get the joke?): http://www.ur.umn.edu/FMPro?-db=releases&-lay=web&-format=unsreleases/releasesdetail.html&-RecID=33439&-Find
107 posted on 11/19/2003 9:59:43 PM PST by RightWingAtheist
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To: RadioAstronomer
...an increase of static.

Are you sure it's not from lightning?

108 posted on 11/19/2003 10:37:11 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Calvin Locke
Are you sure it's not from lightning?

Yup I am sure. The Crab pulsar is one of only three pulsars to emit super strong giant RF bursts. These are second only to the sun in intensity (brightness) in the sky. It is also the first pulsar to be discovered that emits visible light pulses as well.

Remember the Crab Nebula is only about 6500 light years away.

109 posted on 11/19/2003 11:10:41 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Semper Paratus
It's like an ogre, it has many layers.
110 posted on 11/19/2003 11:16:39 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: RadioAstronomer
I got a ping for this for the rights farms environment list. Think if fits?
111 posted on 11/20/2003 1:29:52 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: RightWhale
He ought to go on Art Bell, has he already?

Nah, on Coast-to-Coast it's comets being propelled into the Sun, that and something sinister happening on the "dark" side of the moon.

112 posted on 11/20/2003 1:56:16 AM PST by this_ol_patriot
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To: VadeRetro
You'd think we'd have noticed the gravity of the situation.

LOL! Especially since neutrino oscillation is the solution to the solar neutrino problem.

113 posted on 11/20/2003 8:41:33 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: July 4th
avoiding the gaseous and molten iron.

LOL! I seem to be getting a lot of replies regarding the gas statement so I will reply to you and do it one time.

Vaporized and gas are different in a major way.

You can certainly vaporize iron with a large amount of heat, but it is forever destroyed and is no longer iron. It cannot be reclaimed.

A spectrometer does this to a iron or steel sample and is a good example of destructive testing.

If a element can be said to be in different forms like a gas or solid, it must remain an element and not be destroyed.

I hope this clarifies what I said. I will put my phaser back in it's holster now.

114 posted on 11/20/2003 8:54:31 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Lazamataz
All elements can exist in a plasma state.

And once converted to plasma, they really are broken down to ions/electrons, are they not? They cannot be converted back to their normal state as a pure element once they have converted, and can no longer be called anything but plasma, if my brain is working correctly this morning.

115 posted on 11/20/2003 9:06:06 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: wirestripper
Yeah, but it's a lot of fun to mess with peoples little pea brains.
116 posted on 11/20/2003 9:08:45 AM PST by Lazamataz (I like my women as I like my coffee: Cold and bitter.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Yup I am sure. The Crab pulsar is one of only three pulsars to emit super strong giant RF bursts. These are second only to the sun in intensity (brightness) in the sky. It is also the first pulsar to be discovered that emits visible light pulses as well.

It might serve the same purpose as a lighthouse.

117 posted on 11/20/2003 9:11:03 AM PST by Lazamataz (I like my women as I like my coffee: Cold and bitter.)
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To: Lazamataz
mess with peoples little pea brains.

My pea is in distress as it is 20 days since I have smoked a cig or taken in any nicotine.:-)

As to iron gas, I have a problem with that. In my years of work in the steel industry, I worked around large arc furnaces. If iron was to become as gas without converting to a compound or being otherwise destroyed, it would happen in that furnace.

The furnace has a dust collector that will suck a man into it. It collects all the emissions. I analyzed those emissions frequently for environmental reasons and never found pure Fe. I found all kinds of compounds, and oxides. If gaseous iron was sucked up into the collector, it must have changed to iron oxide because it never showed up as pure iron. Also, the weight of the dust bags (fairly light material) in the collector did not reflect metallic dust, but more carbon stuff.

So, my thinking is that once gasified, iron would not condense as iron, but some other compound or whatever.

So, how a sun have iron as a core is beyond my pea brain and hopefully (non-smoker) comprehension.

118 posted on 11/20/2003 9:35:58 AM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: wirestripper
What is the maximum temperature of your arc furnace, in Centigrade?
119 posted on 11/20/2003 9:42:57 AM PST by Lazamataz (I like my women as I like my coffee: Cold and bitter.)
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To: wirestripper
No. Plasmas revert to ordinary states when cooled. This is the problem with things like the tokamak and other fusion wannabees. Plasmas only strip (varying numbers of) electrons from a nucleus. They don't affect the nucleus itself.
120 posted on 11/20/2003 9:46:44 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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