Posted on 11/18/2003 9:05:07 AM PST by floriduh voter
A man speaking to two women for a moment in a front yard comprised a "social gathering" subject to a fine.
By BRIDGET HALL GRUMET, Times Staff Writer
Published November 18, 2003
NEW PORT RICHEY - Raymond Pemburn says he is blessed with friends. They call the 89-year-old widower in the morning, or take him to lunch, or stop by to chat if they see him outside. Sometimes they gather for dinner at his home.
He just never imagined having a handful of visitors would get him in trouble with his condominium association.
Today the Pointe West Condominium Association board of directors will consider fining Pemburn for violating its new ban on front yard "social gatherings." The rule, passed by the condo board Nov. 5, requires residents to keep their socializing inside their condos, screened porches or back yards - not in the front yard, where gatherings can become "street parties."
"The board of directors enacted a rule to prevent basically what they call street parties from going on," said Jack Smith, manager of the 425-unit adult condominium complex in the Summertree development off State Road 52. "All they ask is for them to do it in their back yard."
He declined to say how many people would constitute a "social gathering" or to comment any further.
Pemburn admitted he sometimes chats outside with a friend or two, but said it's a far cry from a street party.
"We're not boisterous," said the retired business insurance salesman, who moved here from Fort Lauderdale two years ago. "We're not rowdy. We mind our own business."
Pemburn said he spent about a half-hour last Thursday afternoon talking outside to a friend, 52-year-old construction worker Victor Novak, about the leaky roof in Pemburn's Florida room. His neighbor, retired New York City police officer John DiDiego, 67, walked across the street to join them.
Later that evening, Novak prepared chicken divan for a half-dozen friends coming to Pemburn's for dinner. Novak went outside to smoke a cigarette shortly before the last two guests arrived.
Novak said he spoke for less than a minute with the two women before they all went inside.
"She walked across the street and said, "Hello,"' Novak said. "That was it."
The next day, Pemburn got a letter from Smith describing the latter episode as a "violation of the new "social gathering' rule."
"Being as this gathering occurred at your unit, you are the responsible party," Smith told Pemburn in the letter.
"They don't want you to live. They want to treat you like it's a communist camp," Pemburn said. "Where does it say I can't stand outside and talk to two people?"
Under Florida law, condominium associations have broad powers to enact "reasonable rules" about the use of common areas, said Ross Fleetwood, director of the state Division of Florida Land Sales, Condominiums and Mobile Homes.
"Of course, you say, "What's reasonable?"' Fleetwood said. "That's always up for debate."
The condo board passed the "social gathering" rule Nov. 5 as a temporary measure. It remains in effect until a permanent version of the rule goes before condo owners for a vote at the annual meeting in February.
A letter posted on community bulletin boards said the temporary rule was passed "due to the volume of complaints received by the condo office regarding "street parties."'
Then the Nov. 5 letter quotes from a Community Associations Institute brochure: "The purpose of rules is to "prevent nuisance problems and preserve aesthetic harmony.' Also, "reasonable restrictions consistently enforced over time preserve property values and maintain a high quality of life for residents."'
But several residents say the rule could ruin their quality of life by snuffing out the friendly socializing in each other's front yards.
"That's why we came here to live, so we'd have friends and someone to talk to in our old age," said Novak's 85-year-old mother, Caroline Novak.
DiDiego, the neighbor who lives across the street from Pemburn, shakes his head.
"This is really nonsense."
Bridget Hall Grumet can be reached in west Pasco at 869-6244 or toll-free at 1-800-333-7505, ext. 6244. Her e-mail address is bhall@sptimes.com
I've already contacted Governor Bush.
I've contacted a Tampa Tribune reporter who is going to read the article and possibly seek an opinion from from Fla. AG Crist.
If you have a minute to write a letter to the editor of the St. Pete Times, please feel free if YOU ARE OUTRAGED AGAIN AT HOW FLORIDIANS ARE TREATED.
Or, feel free to contact Mr. Fleetwood of the Division of Land Sales & Condominiums. He seems like he's been a figurehead for too long and made a lame statement at best.
And, my favorite option is to contact the Summertree Development and/or Pointe West Condominiums to quiz them on the U.S. Constitution. APPARENTLY, THEY'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT...
Fregards,
floriduh voter
Florida - abusing the disabled and abusing the elderly, one person at a time.
I'm trying to help!!!! Please help me...
If someone can get the contact numbers for The Division of Land Sales & for this lovely development, thanks in advance.
I may be up for a "protest" at this condo complex if I'm not an army of one. FV
Condo commies, I've been talking about them for awhile at FR. Pointe West Communistic Association is more like it.
My in-laws used to live in one of the Senior Adult Condo communities.
Nothing but a bunch of sour pusses out to stifle individuality.
I have moved out of one such community and prefer living in ones where the developer is still in control I am in such a one now, but am looking to move again into a less controlled environment (Freeper-Friendly) by the time it gets turned over to the owners. Yeehaw!
Unless he moves which you know is very stressful, poor Mr. Pemburn will be sneaking around the rest of his life so that he doesn't get fined.
Another result of the crowding engendered by massive immigration.
The more people you pack into an area, the less freedom you will have.
Fortunately, there is an easy way to prevent tragedies like this from happening: end legal immigration.
Because absent immigration, America's population growth would stabilize, and we won't become any more crowded--or less free--than we already are.
My condo had approximately 26 rules and they'd make some up as they went along. There are alternatives to condos - they are preferable. This is just outrageous. The reporter I called is in Tallahassee. Hopefully, he'll find a reason to duplicate the Times story in the Tampa paper.
Crist's Civil Rights office was clueless in Ft. Lauderdale.
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