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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18
Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/14/2003 2:06:57 AM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)

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Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)

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Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from conspiracyworld.com, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.

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Ckick on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO terrisfight.org for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)



TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; buttout; cultureofdeath; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: pickyourpoison
She's in her thirties and is borderline disabled from an accident resulting in a severe head injury. She has to struggle to make a living for herself, but overall does quite well. She is not on disability.
241 posted on 11/14/2003 3:12:37 PM PST by Aliska
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To: pickyourpoison
Speaking of writing, I was wondering if some of our efforts might be more effective if they got stacks of snail mail and had to have people open and read them. Email is too easy to write, send and delete.
242 posted on 11/14/2003 3:17:58 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Theodore R.
The Oprah show is on now in my area. I think it actually was a good segment. I can't access the videos on Terri's site, so I saw & heard what I haven't before. How a judge could have ruled the way Greer did is beyond my comprehension. Also, there were many tearful eyes in the audience. (Good for Terri). Oprah has I wide audience (altho I'm not one of them usually), and it could be helpful. Of course, I think pulling the tube would be wrong in any case.
243 posted on 11/14/2003 3:18:20 PM PST by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Aliska

I'd be willing to do that. It would take more than just you, your daughter, and myself.
I'd just go buy some frienship cards and mail them. Might even send Barbara Bush a card and tell her what some fine son's she's got.
244 posted on 11/14/2003 3:27:29 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: sweetliberty
Yes, you're right, Greer didn't order that she must die. But, as MS pointed out on LKL, he (MS) didn't ask that Terri be put to death - the whole argument was over "what Terri wanted" (as told by MS)

So Greer's ruling 'found' that a) she was PVS and b) she would not want to live in such a condition.

I suppose even if the Schindlers were to get custody, Greer's ruling would stand and Felos would try to force them to "honor Terri's wish." (sickening though it is)

I will have to look at the transcript of the radio broadcast (if someone posts it) to see where Felos hinted at that.
245 posted on 11/14/2003 3:29:53 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: libravoter
Hoping you are right ;-) Thanks
246 posted on 11/14/2003 3:35:17 PM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: Aliska
This goes to support the Schindler's complaint that MS has intentionally allowed Terri's condition to deteriorate to further his own agenda, which is to see her ruled PVS so he can legally starve/dehydrate her.
247 posted on 11/14/2003 3:35:55 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: NYer
It' all good NYer -g-

Terri's mom and sister will be on Oprah today at 4 pm.

Was it taped today for a later date or are they on today's show?

Terri's parents are scheduled for Larry King Live tonight

When will this 'finally' happen?

248 posted on 11/14/2003 3:38:27 PM PST by JustPiper (18 out of 19 HiJacker's had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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To: FR_addict; sweetliberty
*Oprah did a good job with the story. She showed quite a lot of Terri's videos and gave Terri's family a chance to tell us a little about Terri.*

Thank you for the feedback ... no access to Oprah at work so I was dependent on freeper comments.

Point of information: Oprah billed this program as "Should Terri Schiavo die?" - a 'leading' question that made me shiver!

According to Fr. Johansen (the priest from MI who went down to help Msgr. Malanowski and the Schindlers), the comments being posted to Oprah's web site before the show, indicated that they were leaning towards the Schindlers.

Would you say that Oprah's handling of this program was sympathetic to the Schindlers?

249 posted on 11/14/2003 3:41:19 PM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: sweetliberty
No prayers have been destroyed -- only a token. We can all renew our prayers in our hearts and souls and then Terri will have twice as many.

At the same time, send donations and birthday cards and prayer letters so that Terri receives a "mountain of love."

250 posted on 11/14/2003 3:41:30 PM PST by T'wit
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
>>"The deprivation of this right is immediate, ongoing and presumptively unconstitutional," Baird said from the bench. However, Baird said, the final determination of the constitutionality of the law will be made later after another hearing. It has not been scheduled.

>>The verdict first, then the trial?

You've got it!
THAT is ABSOLUTELY what they intend to do, and they have done it before! Remember a month ago? Same judges scheduled Terri's death sentence for Oct 15th, and scheduled her hearing for change of guardianship for 21 days later! (how conveeeeeeenient)
251 posted on 11/14/2003 3:42:38 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: msmagoo
"I will have to look at the transcript of the radio broadcast (if someone posts it) to see where Felos hinted at that."

He didn't hint at it. He said it outright.

252 posted on 11/14/2003 3:44:56 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: JustPiper
It was on this afternoon, and I thought the segment actually showed Terri's side favorably.
253 posted on 11/14/2003 3:46:47 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: msmagoo
What other options are left besides the family services looking into the case?
254 posted on 11/14/2003 3:47:40 PM PST by Aliska
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To: sweetliberty
You said:
It was my understanding that the order only gave Michael permission to have the feeding tube removed,

I can't find the date he said it but here's MS answer about that:

"We had a trial. We had a decision," he said in an interview this spring. "I was allowed to let my wife die. She was on her death bed. She was three days into it. I had her funeral arrangements made.

"Then to have it turned around."


255 posted on 11/14/2003 3:49:04 PM PST by Chocolate Rose
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To: NYer
"Would you say that Oprah's handling of this program was sympathetic to the Schindlers?"

It is probably the widest exposure that some of the video clips of Terri have gotten, and there was no demon of death trying to refute everything that was said. I thought overall it was positive.

256 posted on 11/14/2003 3:49:21 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Yes! HINO said that he found her laying in the hall.
Who said it was a heart attack? Was the Dr. fooled by HINO?

There has been so much time pass, it would be hard to figure out. The only thing the law enforcement can count on is the fact that there are other people in her life that would have some answers. But I don't see them making any moves about this.

Also the nurses that dealt with MS during the first part of Terri's time in the hospital. And also after he won the court case concerning the hospital.

There isn't a lot of information, about whether the law has questioned him or even thought about it.

On a 26 year old healthy woman with as many fractures and healed fractures, you would think questions would have been asked!!!

With all the information given from friends and family about the relationship between them, you'd think someone from the police would say, "Hey, wait a minute. We need to check into this".

But, NO. Total quiet.

Also, was she bruised or swollen at all?

I'm not in the medical profession, but I've had kids!
I know how they look when there's been an altercation with some else.
I have boys, and they have never had THAT many broken bones! One boy had a broken nose from football, and a chipped elbow, from football.

There really isn't info about a heart attack, and I don't know if there has been any evidence, about anything such as this.
The blindness of the medical profession is staggering concerning this case.

I have surmised there isn't anything written or we would know about it.

Aren't there any police detectives and PI's that would have questions?

I know we all have questions we want asked..............

Something just isn't jelling here to me. Am I the only one?

I'm not a conspiracy nut.....but this just doesn't fit.
Has the Culture of Death, consumed the whole legal system in Florida?

I'm sorry, I'm just rambling. It is soooo agravating to me!
257 posted on 11/14/2003 3:52:43 PM PST by LadyPilgrim
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To: pickyourpoison
ping
258 posted on 11/14/2003 3:53:07 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: Aliska
"What other options are left besides the family services looking into the case?"

Well, there are the disabled groups trying to get some action taken...not sure of the details. Also, there was this request for intervention to the attorney general. I hope someone is pushing for a criminal investigation of Schiavo, too.

259 posted on 11/14/2003 3:56:10 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Yes I thought it was positive also.
260 posted on 11/14/2003 3:57:47 PM PST by LadyPilgrim
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