Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18

Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)

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Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)

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Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from conspiracyworld.com, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.

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Ckick on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO terrisfight.org for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)

[Theodore R.]

What we have learned from the tragedy of Terri Schindler is that "appeals" means nothing in law. The "appeal" process cannot even correct errors in the original "finding of fact." The original court ruling is what endures. When appeals are successful, it is the "procedures" that were violated, not the disputed "facts" of the case. We need a reform to permit the appeals process to take into account errors in the original court finding. This is needed in all states, not just FL, where this tragedy will lead to a quicker disaster than we had thought a few short weeks ago. There is almost no way to discipline a lying, dishonest, or incompetent judge.

[sweetliberty]

Yeah, Judge Greer is compassionate alright. He is compasssionate toward the plight of poor Michael who has had to endure the consequences of what were probably his own actions, who has in-laws that are trying to make his life hell, who has an inconvenient wife that is keeping him from going on with his life unless she dies and preventing him from laying his hands on the rest of her money, not to mention whatever else he might stand to inherit if she's dead. Poor Michael. That's where Judge Greer's compassion lies.

[Theodore R.]

I wonder if anyone has told Bob Dole, the man who got the World War II monument off the ground, that the Nazi ideas that he abhorred and so valiantly fought against really prevailed from the second great war -- in the long run. Adolf Hitler must be smiling if one can smile in hell!

[sweetliberty]

"because the Schindlers could have all the "permission" in the world and they wouldn't do it."

Exactly. I don't think the Judge said, "she has to die." I think he said, "you can kill her." He might not have used those words, but I believe that to be the gist of it. The order is posted somewhere on these threads. Hopefully somebody will do some digging to challenge this premise. That slimey, twisted little spiritual pervert is getting his jollies of all this.

[Ohioan from Florida]

You're right on in your observation of MS's selective "promise keeping". What about the part "to have and to hold 'til death do us part?"

It appears to me that Mikey boy thinks "to have" means that Terri is an object he possesses, and that "to hold 'til death do us part" means "strangle until death occurs". And if strangling doesn't do it, then starving and dehydrating 'til death do us part is the subliminal meaning.< /sarcasm>

[nickcarraway]

Glenn Beck?

[Theodore R.]

I think Greer's church should excommunicate him, for he is contaminating the "flock" with his evil ideas.

[Theodore R.]

There was nothing said on Oprah about Schiavo having starved and dehydrated his parents. It seems like the Schindlers would have tried to bring that point out, but again they don't want him to take away the visitation rights again. They are so bound by evil in this case.

[libravoter]

http://www.wftv.com/news/2638461/detail.html

To the best of my knowledge, this is the judge who originally ruled that there shouldn't be a change of venue, and then Bush appealed that ruling. When Bush appealed the ruling, this same judge issued a stay, saying that Schiavo's suit shouldn't go forward until the appeals court ruled.

Then Schiavo's lawyer appealed that ruling, saying that the stay was denying due process. So it would appear that, yes, Bush can appeal the decision not to grant a stay - that the same appeals court that will decide venue could decide whether there should be a stay.

[Spunky]

Thats it. Glen Beck ;-)

[libravoter]

There was nothing said on Oprah about Schiavo having starved and dehydrated his parents. It seems like the Schindlers would have tried to bring that point out, but again they don't want him to take away the visitation rights again

I'd hate to have to make that kind of decision, but it seems to me like it's better to lose visitation rights for the moment then to lose Terri forever. They have to get whatever ammo they have out there if they want to win this.

[sweetliberty]

I just received this in my email. This is the kind of moral reprobates we're dealing with.

Sadly, last month Terri Schiavo's prayer guestbook was desecrated with a hacker who put in porn and obscene references to Terri. Over 215 pages of prayers and well wishings from hundreds of loving individuals were destroyed. They would have been such a comfort to her family.

Now we have added a new guestbook, hopefully it will be secure. Please go to www.prayforterri.net and add in a little prayer for her survival and for her getting her much needed therapy. So many miracles have been occurring already! See Terri surrounded with protective and healing angels; see her becoming more awake and aware, and acknowledging all her warriors, both angelic and here!

Thank you so much for all your loving concern!

[sweetliberty]

Thank you for the clarification. I hope you are right.

[Aliska]

Hope she is on Terri's side and not the HINO's!

She really didn't seem to take sides. The only real sense I got was she did seem to think Terri was a little more "there" than a lot of people want to believe. She does indeed seem to have occasional awareness. Let's face it. She is pretty far gone and I don't know how much she can improve at this late date after not being worked with for so many years.

The bottom line for me is that she is a little "there" and even if she were a total vegetable, I don't think starvation is ethical.

Nobody has said, but my sense is that perhaps she could be spoon fed, but that it is probably a tedious process. The feeding tube makes things much easier for her and her caregivers. Not allowing her to try to take anything by mouth advances the agenda that she can't swallow at all. I know that she could probably aspirate her food if extreme care is not taken.

My overall sense is that the husband has orchestrated and controlled everything over the years so as to make his agenda more convincing.

[Aliska]

I saw the picture. Couldn't find Oprah's site yesterday but tried www.oprah.com today. Voila!

[Canadian Outrage]

One thing about it Libby, God heard the prayers, so they are written in the right place.!!

[Aliska]

I suspect that few in the Oprah viewership would be motivated to send emails, letters, or calls to the powers that be, based on this very brief segment.

My daughter wants to write Jeb and thank him for stepping in.

[sweetliberty]

Amen to that Lynn.

[pickyourpoison]

Encourage her to do it. Jeb seems to have a soft spot for youngsters and would appreciate it.

[msmagoo]

Yes, appeals must be made on points of law, not disputed findings of fact. (too late for that)

Since Bush entered the arena, his attorneys may use, as a supporting argument, that certain findings are disputed (conflict of interest, abuse, neglect, hearsay evidence) and because her death would be the outcome of the court's ruling, and it would be permanent, that for all intents and purposes she is being subjected to a civil execution.

The same standards applied in death penalty cases (for hearsay evidence, admissibility, bias, conflict of interest) should be applied in this case. Not to do so violates Terri's right to equal treatment and due process.

The court case can't be retried but the new law may make the previous finding (in a similar way to post-conviction DNA testing overturning the trial court's conviction) it's possible the Greer ruling could be overturned.