Will Southern Cal. fires defeat Barbara Boxer? (She's against Bush's brush-clearing bill).

hughhewitt.com ^ | Oct. 28, 03 | churchillbuff

[churchillbuff]

AS Hugh Hewitt notes on his website, Boxer's against Bush's "Healthy Forest" initiative, which would clear dead trees and other kindling from forest lands. I think a valid campaign ad should show the flames and devastation AND REMIND VOTERS THAT BARBARA BOXER IS IN THE RADICAL ENVIROS' CORNER. She represents THEM, not the people. AND HER POLICIES HAVE CAUSE UNTOLD LOSS OF PROPERTY - AND TRAGIC LOSS OF LIFE.

Barbara Boxer can and should be defeated next November.

[jaz.357]

Will Southern Cal. fires defeat Barbara Boxer?

I SURE HOPE SO!

[EggsAckley]

We can only hope.

[ER_in_OC,CA]

I disklike Sen Boxer more than most. But I believe trying to "score points" in a political campaign by using the imagery of the fires is the wrong thing to do.

IMHO, the CAUSE of these fires isn't one policy or another. The CAUSE of these fires is the incredibly dry conditions, hot desert winds, and ARSONISTS.

I'm sure it can be argued that some environmental policies created conditions that allowed the fires to be "worse." And I'm sure the enviros could also argue that no one would have been hurt, nor any property destroyed, if we hadn't allowed the development in the first place. It will cut both ways...

Next time some developer wants to build a tract on the edge of the Chino Hills, or in the Brea area OC/LA divide, watch anti-growth politicians say "Noooo!, building there will mean houses are destroyed in the inevitable fire, just like in FIRESTORM 2003"

[Salvation]

Something I posted to another thread:

Should emergency relief funds for a fire disaster area be automatically be linked to the provision that a state mandate the annual thinning of forests?

Or am I just dreaming??

[churchillbuff]

IMHO, the CAUSE of these fires isn't one policy or another. The CAUSE of these fires is the incredibly dry conditions, hot desert winds, and ARSONISTS.

ALSO, A LOAD OF KINDLING - BRUSH, DEAD TREES - THAT HAS BEEN SPECIFICALLY WARNED ABOUT BY PROPONENTS OF CLEARANCE, AND PROPONENTS OF BUSH'S HEALTHY FORESTS. There was even a congressional committee conference held earlier this year at Arrowhead - which is burning now -- warning that if clearance isn't allowed, fire would be intense. Boxer has been blocking sensible forest management policies, going with the (literally ) stupid greens instead. POINTING THAT OUT ISN'T "SCORING CHEAP POLITICAL POINTS" IT'S TELLING THE TRUTH -- - AND IT'S TRUTH VOTERS NEED TO HEAR.

[Samurai_Jack]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1010048/posts

BACKGROUND: The Clinton Administration's compliance with environmentalist diktats on forest management has been a major contributor to the monster wildfires roaring across the U.S. Despite this, Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club, issued a denial of responsibility for the fires on June 25, 2002, as have other environmentalists.

The Department of Agriculture will be investigating instances in which environmental groups prevented forest thinning but whatever they find, it will be only the tip of the iceberg. Environmental extremists worked diligently behind the scenes during the Clinton-Gore years to virtually end essential logging on federal land and get 58,500,000 acres made off limits to roads and, therefore, all kinds of human activity -- including fire fighting.

TEN SECOND RESPONSE: Environmentalists know they played a major role in halting essential harvesting and road building that would have prevented the current disaster in America's forests.

THIRTY SECOND RESPONSE: The Sierra Club and its allies played key roles in the Clinton-Gore years in ending essential logging and road building and maintenance in our nation's forests. Pope, in his denial of responsibility, called for prescribed burns to reduce fuel in forests, yet he and others were part of the Heritage Forests Campaign which lobbied for and got over 58 million acres declared off limits to roads. Fire trucks are necessary for safe prescribed burns, as fire trucks can't fly.

DISCUSSION: Dr. Tom Bonnicksen of Texas A&M University, professor of forestry and author of "America's Ancient Forests: From the Ice Age to the Age of Discovery," points out that prescribed burns are impossible in many areas because of the drastically overfueled condition of our forests. As one of the nation's leading forestry experts, he claims logging is essential to maintaining the health of today's forests.

[vpintheak]

Can't harp on this too hard or the people will say it is slander for political gain, doesn't matter if the wench is dead wrong. There can be hints thrown around though.

[Salvation]

If I still lived in California I would be working like heck to get this out to the public.

Hot, fast burning and dangerous fires are caused by the lack of thinning of forests.

Besides that -- it provides jobs for Californians.

[churchillbuff]

I'm sure it can be argued that some environmental policies created conditions that allowed the fires to be "worse."

Damn straight. It HAS been so argued, for months and years - - - California conditions, with dead trees and brush, have created a tinderbox and THE WARNINGS HAVE BEEN MADE. Boxer listens to the greens, instead.

[churchillbuff]

Can't harp on this too hard or the people will say it is slander for political gain

Sorry, but it's telling the truth.

[pickyourpoison]

The sad thing is the greens wanted no roads built in the forests, making it difficult for firefighters to control these fires. They didn't want the underbrush removed, something the firefighters would have preferred. I suppose we saved a spotted owl til it burned up.
Other groups don't want the firefighters using the water in the rivers to put out the fires. One of those save the fishie groups.
Sad, and I hope Ca. quits electing these airheads.

[heleny]

Northern CA (particularly in the SF Bay area) isn't having these fires, and Boxer's support is probably stronger there than in Southern CA anyway.

[FreedomPoster]

But idiot Greens can't handle the truth. It's time for the rest of the folks out there to pummel the Greens, politically.

[Paulus Invictus]

The forests in Utah are filled with dead fuel sources, but the local envirowackos still say that this is not the cause of the many fires and beetle-infested trees.

It was the Sierra Club Legal Fund that fought the Forest Service years back and made it imposssible to spray and kill the bark beetles. Result? Now we have thousand of acres of dead trees and forests filled with dead fuel, dry brush and fallen trees. The enviro policies and un-ending litigation are the worst disaster to US forests in history. Any politician that runs with envirowacko support needs to be defeated!

[Paulus Invictus]

Don't forget that the Berkeley/Oakland residential fires just recently burnt hundreds of acres and wiped out hundreds of homes. It was a mega-billion dollar fire. Those forests were loaded with dead fuel too.

[heleny]

I hope they vote Boxer out, too! I just think it's going to be very difficult to blame the fires on her, unless a majority of people realize the fuel problem caused the fires, blame environmentalists for that, and associate Boxer with them.

[Jorge]

Will Southern Cal. fires defeat Barbara Boxer?

If they do, they will have truly been a blessing in disguise.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

...In 1997 BOXER told us that she received $10,000 in China Army Money and was going to return it.

...In 2001 China Army Moneyman
JAMES RIADY stated under oath at his own CHINAGATE Plea Agreement Federal Court Hearing that...

.."Not a single Nickel that he gave to Democrats had ever been returned"

...BOXER = Liar, Liar ..pants on fire.



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" - In Person Witness to RIADY's Hearing

[Always Right]

I'm sure it can be argued that some environmental policies created conditions that allowed the fires to be "worse."

Yeah, but worse means more people dying and more homes destroyed. It is absolutely the arsonists fault. But we have fires every year, so this isn't exactly rocket science or hindsight. A known problem exists and nothing is ever done about it. The GOP is constantly villianized for their common-sense forstry as a bunch of anti-environmentalists.